> I am aware that sometimes bad things need to be done and I might
> actually be in favor of doing them to save lives *if* and here is the
> key phrase, if they  were effective.
>
> So far not one story has surfaced abuot how we slapped some bad
> terrorist around and he gave us the info to prevent a disaster. And I
> don't think the administration would be shy about trumpeting it if
> there were one. And every one of those people in Abu Ghraib has
> brothers and sisters and cousins. All of whom are now convinced that
> the United States is evil.
>

You need to watch 24 more often! Jack Bauer gets tons of great information 
from torture.



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