> -----Original Message----- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:40 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: ID as Myth > > > Brian wrote: > > University of Kansas is offering a course entitled "Special Topics in > Religion > > That's quite funny. And ironic. There are so, so many things wrong > with the ID "movement". First and foremost is that it's based on > religion. Of course IDers will argue this point, but they are wrong > for the same reason ID is: science is about observable, repeatable > facts.
This is exactly why I think that ID should be considered only from a scientific standpoint. All "scientific" ID propositions have been successfully challenged and all that's left is untestable scientifically. If they're asking for this to be treated like science then do so. By that standard it doesn't cut the mustard. > As an analogy think of an ant farm. Even though you built box, filled > it with sand, etc, the ants could never you did this. They could > never prove you existed. I'm not sure why. Just as a thought experiment (and assuming ants of human intelligence) I can see several methods that might be employed to prove my existence. The size difference is enormous, but not insurmountable (to an ant a human is about, say, the same size as a mountain to us). If there were mountain-sized ants walking around we'd be able to prove them. The key isn't one of size it's of capability. Humans and ants are both physical - each can see the other and each are bound by the same basic laws and principles. As soon you through "god" into the picture however you're talking about the metaphysical. By definition such a thing can't be proven (or disproven) simply because no boundary on capability will be acknowledged. It's like Carl Sagan said: prove to me that there's NOT an invisible, non-corporeal flying dragon that only I can see in my garage. You can't do it using science. Only faith will suffice. Jim Davis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:183534 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
