I didn't say no relation, I said ours wasn't as barbaric. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:10 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Next in line to be labeled Dictator by America > > I saw that. I did not engage as I was not sure if their > misreading was due to people not having the time to > read/write complicated thoughts or what. Let's see if I > understood you: > > The post-Katrina fiasco was an illustration of what happens > when people with few or no resources lose the ones they had. > In other words, the people who has no car to get into and no > stockpile of food. > A day or so into Katrina it didn't matter if you had cash as > the stores were for the most part closed. Ergo if you wanted > to feed your kids you had to go into a store and take stuff. > I do not excuse the people taking televisions. But in that > sort of apocalyptic scenario I suspect most people here would > do something not too different. > > OK so you extrapolate from here to say that people who depend > on government support will become violent if this support is > withdrawn. > Right? I don't think I agree with you, because the withdrawal > will not happen in this same catastrophic manner and people > would have a chance to make alternate plans ot have plans > made for them :) At least one would hope so. > > But it is true that some of the scariest people in inner city > DC are the people, mostly young teenaged boys, who are smart > enough to see the ways they are getting screwed by the > system. And some of them figure that if they don't matter > then nobody else does either. > > So I don't agree with you exactly but I don't think you > position is idiotic. Bear in mind that the people who said it > was also think there is no relationship between the American > and the French revolutions :) > > > On 1/11/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks, Dana. I've been called an idiot today for saying > this. You > > may not agree with everything I have to say, but at least you're > > willing to have an adult discussion. > > > > - Matt > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <cf-community@houseoffusion.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:05 PM > > Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America > > > > > > > people who are hungry will have few reservations about stealing. > > > Works for me. > > > > > > On 1/11/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Ugh, I mistyped and there's all kinds of confusion. > > >> > > >> I meant that there was a lack of basic substanence for > people after > > >> Katrina hit New Orleans. A lack of basic substanence due to the > > >> lack of means to leave the area led to a rampant looting > and crime. > > >> My example was meant to convey that a lack of welfare for people > > >> would lead to the same thing in the US. People who are > hungry will > > >> kill others for the ability to eat. > > >> Hence a > > >> welfare system's purpose is not only there to provide > food to the > > >> needy, it's necessary to help keep people from killing > each other > > >> for the necessities of life. It's the basics of poverty, Mazlo's > > >> Hierarchy of Needs. > > >> > > >> - Matt > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Tim Heald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: "CF-Community" <cf-community@houseoffusion.com> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:29 AM > > >> Subject: RE: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America > > >> > > >> > > >> > Other than the fact that the statement isn't true. > > >> > > > >> > NO happened in a country with a welfare system. > > >> > > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:26 AM > > >> >> To: CF-Community > > >> >> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labeled Dictator by America > > >> >> > > >> >> Then what you meant was not what you said... "I think that > > >> >> Gruss doesn't realize that a country without a > welfare program > > >> >> is going to be run over by criminals killing others for gain. > > >> >> Case in point: New Orleans" > > >> >> > > >> >> That's pretty clear to me. Said another way: "New > Orleans is > > >> >> an example of what would happen in a country without > a welfare > > >> >> program". > > >> >> > > >> >> -Cameron > > >> >> > > >> >> On 1/11/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> > I'm confused... I thought I knew what I meant. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > - Matt > > >> >> > > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >> > From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <cf-community@houseoffusion.com> > > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:52 AM > > >> >> > Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > No, your example was actually that all hell broke > out when > > >> >> > > the welfare program (not law and order) was > removed in New Orleans. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > -Cameron > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > On 1/11/06, Chesty Puller > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> > >> The example that I meant to convey was the > rampant looting > > >> >> > >> after the hurricane and the flooding. Although > not a nice > > >> >> place before > > >> >> > >> hand, the lack of law and any assistance led to > the grave > > >> >> > >> conditions there. > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> - Matt > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >> > >> From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> > >> To: "CF-Community" <cf-community@houseoffusion.com> > > >> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:55 PM > > >> >> > >> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by > > >> >> > >> America > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > On 1/10/06, Chesty Puller > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> > >> >> I think that Gruss doesn't realize that a country > > >> >> > >> >> without a welfare program is going to be run over by > > >> >> > >> >> criminals killing others for gain. Case in > > >> >> > >> >> point: > > >> >> > >> >> New Orleans > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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