It's like the 20th century never happened - Charles Dickens would be
familiar with your economic theories!

Seriously, do you realise how victorian you sound? I fully expect your
next post to be an essay on the benefits of the workhouse system,
including a paragraph on how orphans can be utilised as a cost
effective labour source.


On 1/28/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> >  If you think that Keynes is about the government handing out money
> > than say handing 22 billion to the insurance industry,
>
> I'm not saying Keynes said that you are!  ^^^^^^ See ^^^^^^
>
> You keep saying that the gov't is "handing" money to corporations.
> You just said it again.  Then you go on to say that, instead, the
> gov't should give money to poor people or those who choose not to earn
> more.
>
> Well, the gov't doesn't make money, therefore it's not their's to give.
>
> Let's look at minimum wage.  There the gov't is taking money that a
> business has *earned* and forcing them to *give* it to a worker
> despite the fact that, on the open market, the worker's choice would
> be worth less.
>
> Here's the problem: If the gov't takes money from earners and gives it
> to those that choose not to earn, then everyone will choose not to
> earn.  I've got a case study for you called Cuba.
>
> Gel has pointed out how much higher the literacy rate is and how much
> lower the crime and poverty rates are.  That's true.  But name the
> last new medical innovation to come from Cuba.  How about their
> alternative energy research?  Surely they've made strides in
> technology?  No?  Oh.
>
> Why not?  Because when the gov't takes from producers and gives it to
> non-producers, the profit incentive moves from innovation to
> dependancy.   That's why in Cuba you have people busting ass to be
> bellman at the local American hotel - so they can have access to
> American dollars.
>
> Now, let me address your points about ENRON or Haliburton.  In a
> nutshell, it's the same as above.  When the gov't takes money from
> people who've earned it, say Caribou Coffee, and gives it to a
> corporation that hasn't, say Haliburton, then they're encouraging
> dependency.
>
> SUMMARY
> The question is not who should gov't give money to, it's who should
> gov't be taking money from?  And the answer is nobody.  If you didn't
> earn it, you don't deserve it, be you individual or corporation.
>
> That's not to say that the gov't can't use tax dollars to give people
> the *means* to earn (education).
>
> From what I can see you agree with me, you're just not taking the
> final step and saying that all gov't reallocation of wealth is bad
> given that all citizens have equal access to capital and education
> which we do but didn't in Keynes' time.
>
> 

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