Well, I guess that's sort of like admitting you're wrong. Like I said, your response definitely colored your character.
I guess I'll just have to accept that. Larry C. Lyons wrote: > this conversation is over. > > I repeat if you are so gung ho then why not join up. There should be a > National Guard recruiting office near where you live. Put your ass > where your mouth is (of course from what you're saying that would > require removing your head from your ass first) and join up. > > On 3/18/06, Kevin Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Larry, if you are so sure, please go back and show me where I did >> anything but insinuate that if all of Britain was of the same mind of >> Wayne during WWII that the Germans would've strolled the streets of London. >> >> I don't know why I bother Larry. You twist people words worse than >> anyone I've ever seen or met. I don't think I've ever seen you admit >> you're wrong, even when you've been proven wrong unequivically. If you >> want to talk about arrogance, perhaps you should gaze into the mirror. >> >> Once again, I challenge you to point to one statement I made that >> supports your argument. Can you? Didn't think so. Your response will >> color you more than you know. And you know this has nothing to do with >> Iraq. You just keep distorting things. >> >> >> >> Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> >>> Deny it if you will, but such arrogance is disgusting. YOU definately >>> don't know what you are talking about. >>> >>> If you are so gung ho then join up. Quit being such a chicken hawk. >>> Its all great to be so violently pro war especially when you're >>> sitting on your butt not risking anything. >>> >>> On 3/18/06, Kevin Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Larry, you're so full of shit you must attract flies. >>>> >>>> I made no implication and you know it. At least I admit it when I'm >>>> wrong. You seem to be so hard headed perhaps a profession of smashing >>>> batteries with your forehead would be more fitting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Larry C. Lyons wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> The implication was perfectly clear. I get disgusted by the implict >>>>> arrogance of that assumption. Especially when its undeserved. >>>>> >>>>> On 3/17/06, Kevin Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not denying that, but if all of the British then "grew out" of >>>>>> playing with guns, and became pacifists there would've been no one to >>>>>> defend the country, thus the Germans would've been able to walk right >>>>>> in. Kind of like with France, only they did have guns, they're just >>>>>> terrible fighters.. >>>>>> >>>>>> And you're reaching Larry. Just admit that you misread my statement and >>>>>> were so quick to prove me wrong that you really didn't think about what >>>>>> I said, you just fired off your reply. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's ok, I understand. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Larry C. Lyons wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you denying that you stated the following? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Wayne, just be glad your fellow countrymen a generation ago didn't >>>>>>> "grow >>>>>>> out", otherwise, you'd probably be speaking German." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/17/06, Kevin Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's not what I said Larry, you're putting words in my mouth. Trying >>>>>>>> to make it look as though I know nothing about WWII, which I would >>>>>>>> venture I know more than you do, particulary the European theater. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I said that if no one in Britain defended the country, Germany would've >>>>>>>> had no problem at all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Larry C. Lyons wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It really is the height of arrogance to assume that if not for the >>>>>>>>> American intervention the Germans would have successfully invaded and >>>>>>>>> conquered Britain. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kevin, look at military history and look at what was required for that >>>>>>>>> to happen. German did not have what it took to successfully stage an >>>>>>>>> invasion of Britain, even immediate after the Dunkirk invasion. They >>>>>>>>> did not control the air, and definitely did not control the Channel. >>>>>>>>> The plans for Sealion had the German forces go over in river barges. >>>>>>>>> Those barges are also known as sitting targets. There's the is the >>>>>>>>> matter of resupply, reinforcements etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Given the situation, most likely the defeat of Nazi Germany would have >>>>>>>>> taken longer, but would have happened. Neither Britain, nor the >>>>>>>>> Commonwealth countries were sitting on their asses scratching their >>>>>>>>> nether regions. Most likely the war would have taken an extra 3 to 5 >>>>>>>>> years and by that time would have involved atomic bombs in the end. >>>>>>>>> The US was not the only country with a nuclear program - the British >>>>>>>>> also were working on one - and when it was subsumed into Manhattan, >>>>>>>>> the Manhattan project got a big boost in uranium refining and >>>>>>>>> expertise in electronics. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> larry >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 3/17/06, Kevin Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I suppose that's better than your height of pussy. I'm guessing the >>>>>>>>>> Germans would've improved your families gene pool. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You get what you give there Waynie, tit for tat. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wayne Putterill wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just what the conversation needed . six foot seven of stupid :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/06, Kevin Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne, just be glad your fellow countrymen a generation ago didn't >>>>>>>>>>>> "grow >>>>>>>>>>>> out", otherwise, you'd probably be speaking German. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne Putterill wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not anti american, I'm anti anyone who makes this world a >>>>>>>>>>>>> worse >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> place to be. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not bashing america, my own country had a large part in this >>>>>>>>>>>>> disgusting affair. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for calling me antisemetic, anyone who knows me would laugh out >>>>>>>>>>>>> loud at that - particularly my jewish friends. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would lay down my life for something I believed in, but I grew >>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>> of playing with guns when I started wearing long trousers. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were no weapons found, there is no was to ever prove they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> did or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> did >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not exist at this point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW Why is that "spin"? Are all of my statements true? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about you stop with America bashing bullshit? And the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-Semitic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit that you lefties like to spout. It makes me sick. How >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of sitting around bitching you actually stand for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not only your principles, but your life on the line? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Heald >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 703-300-3911 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:51 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: CF-Community >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Saddam Pretended to have Weapons to prevent Attack >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> how about you actually deal with the point being discussed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spouting another load of spin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the violations of the cease fire? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the UN resolutions allowing us to use force to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforce the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sanctions that were being violated? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the attacks against American Aircraft? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the fact that oil is actually of vital importance to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national security of the United States? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Heald >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 703-300-3911 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 3:16 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: CF-Community >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Saddam Pretended to have Weapons to prevent Attack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what blows all the "this means we were right to go in" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arguments apart. We had ways of finding out if he did have WMD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UK and US governments didn't let the people involved finish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/06, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a reminder the people on the ground, the UN inspectors >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Iraq, and the IAEA always said that there were no WMD's. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/16/06, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you have your own guys, plus other countries all agreeing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they have them, then the risk factor seems within the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bounds. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you try it and you turn out wrong, then people second >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is good if it makes us better, but when the point is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belittle then it doesn't help anybody. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Were mistakes made? Clearly. However I don't think they could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done this any other way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:13 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: CF-Community >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Saddam Pretended to have Weapons to prevent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dino wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel only attacked Iraq when they were building a nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> express purpose of gaining nukes to attack Israel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Combine that with what gMoney said and you have: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.) If we thought there was a threat, why didn't we just bomb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the shit out of it w/o having to go in? Lame Answer: mobile >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> labs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently REALLY mobile. So mobile they don't exist. Which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us to ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.) Why don't we know how reliable our intelligence is? From >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the beginning the whole everybody-thought-blah-blah-blah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strikes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me as absolutely moronic. It's called risk management - I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they offer classes at HBS on the topic. Bush must've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skipped them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever you have intelligence you have a reliability factor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Either ours was low and we went in anyway or we haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned shit about intelligence in the last 50 years. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:200569 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
