Skorp Croze wrote:
Can you name even one terrorist attack on home soil that has been > foiled due to increased security and the absolute undercutting of > civil liberties in the US? What are the many "known" attempts? How has > the Patriot act, wiretapping, ISP raids, library record searching > helped prevent these? For a small sample of foiled terror plots, see this story: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/15/attack/main533075.shtml There have been several specific publicized terror plots broken up by federal agencies in the last several years. And that is just the stuff the government is publicizing. Who knows how much other stuff is going on that they are keeping secret until it is safe to reveal. As for undercutting civil liberties, everyone is aware that we have sacrificed some freedoms in the short term in exchange for security. The last poll I saw said that a majority of Americans still supported the idea of curtailing some liberties in exchange for security. For instance, a big majority is in favor of the NSA wiretapping program. Why? Because most people aren't talking to terrorists on international phone calls, and regular, everyday people think that the government should find the few people that are talking to terrorists on international phone calls. Our foriegn relations are good? Really? I would say that they are as > bad as they ever have been in the history of the nation, across the > board. You apparently don't remember the 80's, when western Europeans were demonstrating in the streets in mass numbers for the US to withdraw troops from the continent, or the 70's and 60's when almost all of Latin America was controlled by tinpot dictators who decried US imperialism (as they repressed their own populations), or the 50's - the era that gave us the phrase "the ugly American". It just goes with the territory of being a world power. Don't forget that, despite his cartoonish image abroad (and for some at home), Ronald Reagan led the charge that defeated communism as a global ideology. Leadership sometimes means making decisions and sticking with them in the face of tough criticism. And sometimes doing the right thing makes you enemies. -- --------------- Robert Munn www.funkymojo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:207880 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
