Well, that wasn't just something I think, that is also an idea that has been
taught in Political Science classes.

As for the Dole election, I think that was a ploy for something bigger. I
think they went with Dole to make a showing, but really wanted to go up
against Gore. I think the Republicans underestimated Gore; and they over
estimated the damage the Lewinksy stuff would have on the Democrats.

Clinton was a great talker and would be hard to beat a 2nd time around.

I haven't integrated my identity with being a republican. I'm not a
republican. There are things that the republican party believes that I do
not.

I agree with a lot of what you say about independent voters, however I think
that is a misnomer. I don't think there is such thing. There are people that
are middle of the road, but I don't think the parties can do much there.
They are going to get lucky with that group. It's not like they are able to
do enough explaining of their plans to actually change minds.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:47 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: So, does anyone still trust these guys?
> 
> I agreed with you up until here when it became clear that you've
> integrated your identity and, therefore, self-worth with being a
> "republican".
> 
> The Repubs (or Dems) haven't "always" seen anything any way.  The
> issues and party positions have changed drastically over the years.
> For example, Just 40 or so years ago it was the Democrats that stood
> for gun owners rights which stemmed from their democrat-farmer-laborer
> roots.
> 
> The last elections have come down to a few simple facts - and one of
> them directly contradicts your contention.  To win:
> 
> 1.) Both parties must mobilize their base.  Historically it's the
> Republicans that have suffered most from this as "republicans" tend to
> distrust government and therefore won't turn out if they don't like
> what they see.  Bob Dole suffered from this.  John McCain is, at least
> initially.
> 
> 2.) Both parties must bring in their fringe.  For republicans this
> used to mean social conservatives.  Bush has moved the fringe to the
> base, however.  At the expense, I might add, of some of the
> traditional base.  See any recent poll.  For Democrats this has been
> the "greens", the socialists, etc.
> 
> 3.) Both parties must mobilize and swing the independent vote.  This
> is what Bush has lost in the last 2 years.  Rove used quasi-moral and
> security issues to swing the independents.  Clinton used the economy.



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