Agreed, excellent post. I wouldn't call him a troll. I think he's just giving his opinion, albeit on not very good information. Here's a question - Do you think that we'll be seeing more of this type of rhetoric because of the Enron scandle? Not just for MM, but for other companies too?
Hmmmm, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:26 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Death of Cold Fusion Hatton, That was an excellent reply to a troll. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:35 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: The Death of Cold Fusion > > > Tom, > > A couple of things to point out, none intended as a personal > attack and all > subject to the fact that (a) it's 1am here, (b) I'm just a > developer without > any financial gain in the rise and fall of the IT sector of > the market and > (c) I'm tired of seeing "Cold Fusion is Dying" posts on CF > specific lists. > > First of all, in comparing the financial sheets of Microsoft > and Macromedia > you are looking at two completely different entities. Both > are software > firms, both sell products and both offer a server-side > scripting language, > but beyond that point no other comparisons can be made. > Microsoft has a > slew of other products as does Macromedia. Hell, if MM considered MS > "competition", why is ColdFusion completely compatible with > IIS? Sorry, I'm > rambling... financially *all* IT performers, big and small, are down. > > If you are a *serious* investor then I will give you this > advice... it's > something that I've been told by several family members and > friends: when > the price of a stock is down, buy. If it goes down lower, > buy more. When > it goes up and you really think you need the money, sell half > and hold the > rest for the next time it goes up. The stock market and the > economy are > cyclical beings and people that are investing long term are > having a heyday. > Personally, I'll look back on 2001 in 30-odd years when I'm > setting up 401k > withdrawals and think, "man, I got a lot that year". > > Oh, and one note on the last link... If memory serves me > correctly, June 30 > 2001 was right around the time that MM and Allarie became one > entity. That > may have some of the effect on the numbers. Also, 2001 was > not a good year > for any company, and trend-wise I think that overall numbers > will agree with > me (not going to take the time to research it, it's a moot point). > > Hell, you want to see the ultimate definition of "screwed", > take a look at > Easy Street (currently trading as EASYD)... I bought when > they were Mail.com > (MAIL) at 21.25/shr (6 shares, I played in the market with > some money left > over from stocks I got from working for Tandy). Now they're > trading at > 3.80/shr after a reverse 10 for 1 split. > > Second point- if you were a regular subscriber or visitor to > either list > (CF-Talk or CF-Community), you would have seen the ASP vs. CF vs. PHP > discussions we've had. One thing that we all know and > realize is the CF is > not the end-all of scripting languages. I for one embrace > the philosophy > that knowing how to program at a logical level is key to a developer's > success in the industry. Language is irrelevant. If you > know how to write > a page that gathers information from a database and loops > through it and > displays it in a specific format in one language, it is a matter of > semantics for you to figure out how to do it in another. Maybe that's > because I have web-based, disk based and hardware based programming > experience. > > Finally, I want to reiterate that I'm tired of seeing people > come into a > group and immediately slam the company/product line/concept > of that group. > Why do people do that? It's not just here... I get them on > my Ham Radio and > BBS lists. Both are hobbies of mine and there's always got > to be someone > that wants to spoil my fun. > > There you have it, my unabashed, opinionated, undereducated > response to a > baseless fear. If you want to learn ASP, go ahead... it's not that > difficult of a syntax to learn. I know it, and so do many > many many other > people on this list. Thing is, we're here to talk about CF. > The Community > side of the list is more for personal chit-chat, political > debate, muffin > throwing and the occasional discussion on religion. Feel > free to join in if > you like. > > C. Hatton Humphrey > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:10 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: The Death of Cold Fusion > > > Would anyone with some financial and marketing expertise care > to discuss > the issue of the mutation of CF5 into something else. I have a rather > widely accepted theory that most analysts find quite a bit of > credence in. > > IMHO, to those of you who have already lost tens of thousands > of dollars > over this sham, is stay away from MM. IMHO, they will not > make a decent > profit until 2004 - ready for that? > > I will reveal my sources if enough people seem to be > interested and can > read a financial sheet. In the mean time, compare stock > performance charts > of MACR and MS. > > Read the notes DAILY such as: > > http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=MACR > > http://biz.yahoo.com/n/m/macr.html > > http://biz.yahoo.com/p/m/macr.html > > http://biz.yahoo.com/z/a/m/macr.html (this one is guaranteed > to burn your > ass) > > http://messages.yahoo.com/?action=q&board=MACR (take all > info with a grain > of salt, and compare it with other boards) > > http://biz.yahoo.com/fin/l/m/macr.html (and this one ladies > and gentlemen > will make you cry - or go out and buy an asp book.) > > > Well, per Mr. Dnowitz's request, we are now all corralled > into the correct > forum. But guess what - it doesn't make the news any better - it just > limits the number of programmers that can, USING THEIR OWN WISDOM AND > KNOWLEDGE, will glean any knowledge and possible fore warning. > > Well, everyone knows how to read the tape, and everyone knows > how to read > between the lines. (like no version CF5.2 or 5.5 - we'll just > make a big > deal out of it- cause everyone to buy the thing, it won't > work the first > time around- so call the MM "tech Serv" lines. > > This is getting entirely too humorous. > > OFF TO RESEARCH ASP! I feel like the pied piper. > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > ************** > * > Tom Forbes, Forbes Web Consulting, Inc. > TEL: 407-772-3427 FAX: 407-772-3428 > Visit www.medmatrix.com for Medical Equipment Web Sites! > We build and host Medical Equipment company Web sites too! > ************************************************************** > ************** > * > > ______________________________________________________________________ Macromedia ColdFusion 5 Training from the Source Step by Step ColdFusion http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201758474/houseoffusion Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
