>I know that the massive closed, vertical has worked well for Apple but it >really turns me off completely.
I agree...I'm never one to get a device just because everyone else does, and the restrictions you are stuck with when using an iPod are a bit too much for my liking. There are some really nice players out there other than iPods, many have even better sound quality, battery life and features. I went with a iRiver clix...really nice flash-based player with a great color screen that you "click" in different directions to navigate the controls. Can do photos, video, all types of music formats (including wma and ogg) and also has FM radio, flash games and voice recording. They just dropped the price on the 2 gig device (of course, since I just bought one a few weeks ago!) so a 4 gig one should hit the market soon. --- Mary Jo ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:217109 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5