I didn't mean there is enforcement of the "isn't allowed anymore" rule.
But even those groups transgressing the rule for the most part acknowledge it. And they scream the moment they are transgressed against. But looking back a century, I think we have changed. (Not truly changed, but a thin coating of civilization that overrides most of our less social instincts.) Here in the US, our outlook used to be: "Do whatever you want, but leave us alone." Then it became "Do whatever you want, but leave our friends alone." Then "Do whatever you want inside your own borders, but leave your neighbors alone." Now it is becoming "Do whatever you want to your own people, but leave your minorities alone." We are not good at it yet, or even consistant in our application of the rule, and still let those with big bucks get away with too much, and those with no bucks too little, but I think we do learn. Maybe I'm deceiving myself, but I really do have hope for the next generation. Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/04/02 04:11PM >>> Jerry- nope, list's not broken (so where is everybody?) gotta disagree with your "isn't allowed anymore" premise when so much of it is going on. think it's more quickly publicized after the fact and that's good - can't just happen in the darkness, but it IS happening. we (humanity) haven't really changed when we keep perpetrating these atrocities. is there an answer? I sure don't have one... -Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:35 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Israel vs. Palestinian escalation > > > Geez, > > Did I break the list? > > Jerry Johnson > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/04/02 02:27PM >>> > To interject a brief note of optimism, > > I think it is great that we care! > > It is a new development in the world that we (we meaning this list > which > is represented by many cultures around the globe) hear about > these kind > of > problems around the world, and that it disturbs us enough to > spend/waste > > our time talking about it. > > I think it is a fairly short step until this kind of > sectarian violence > just isn't tolerated in the world community. > > For example, I think a massacre like Srebrenica or Rowanda or Iraqi > Kurds > are less likely today than 10 years ago, and will be less likely to > occur > 20 years from now. > > Some people here in the U.S. think this is a sign of a "World > Government", > > I think it is more of a sign of the world declaring some stuff just > isn't > allowed any more. > > As another example, I can not see the kind of secrecy existing today > for > what the Japanese did in WWII with the testing of the plague > on Chinese > civilian population (The CDC and WHO would uncover it pretty > quickly.) > Or > the US government covering it up to get a jump on the Russians. > > It does not help those on the front lines, but the world can see and > feel > the tragedy in the loss of 10 people in Israel. And the loss > of 10 dead > to > Ebola in Gabon. And the loss of dozens to flash flooding in Bolivia. > > And here in the U.S., we feel the tragedy of the loss of each > individual > > America casualty in the "War on Terror". > > (A luxury to be sure) > > We no longer have to lose hundreds in a ferry accident in > Indonesia or > thousands in a week to civil war to rate top line front page news. > > I think we really are getting better at this "caring for > others" thing. > > It just takes a while to grow into something better, and all growth > comes > in fits and starts. > > But I can see a marked difference during each decade of my lifetime. > > Jerry Johnson > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/04/02 12:48PM >>> > Ben > > Yes, its a big problem. Unfortunately it looks like it doesn't get > solved, > it just continues... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 04 March 2002 17:24 > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Israel vs. Palestinian escalation > > > Thanks Mark > > but a big problem - when you are sure God(s) is/are on your > side, and have > been indoctrinated this way since childhood, how does the > conflict ever > get > resolved? All the cease-fires, treaties, "peace-keeping" > armies, etc. you > can imagine cannot make someone stop hating someone else, > when that's what > they have been taught all their life. > > -Ben > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:20 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Israel vs. Palestinian escalation > > > > > > i'm 100% with you Ben, religion is a convienient way for > > politicians to hide > > their real motives for conflict. > > > > but it would probably be more depressing if religion was the > > real reason > > > > m > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 04 March 2002 16:57 > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Israel vs. Palestinian escalation > > > > > > Todd- > > yes, also tragic > > > > saw a photo of Muslim woman sitting outside her burned-out > > home praying > > (house was torched by Hindu mob) > > > > the things like this humans can do to each other disgust me... > > > > Israelis (Jews) vs. Palestinians (Muslims) > > India (Hindu vs. Muslim) > > Iraq (Sunni Muslim vs. Shiite Muslim) > > Serbs (Orthodox) vs. Croats (Catholic) vs. Bosnians (Muslims) > > Northern Ireland (Protestants vs. Catholics) > > Southern Phillipines (Muslim vs. Catholic) > > > > common thread: all of these are painted as *religious* conflicts, > > but in reality they seem to be about > > gaining/keeping/increasing political > > and economic POWER. > > > > depressing is an understatement... > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:47 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Israel vs. Palestinian escalation > > > > > > > > > How about all of that stuff going on in India? *shakes head* > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > So the Palestinians increase the violence of their attacks > > > on Israeli > > > > civilian and military targets, thinking Israel will "give" > > > and end the > > > > "occupation". > > > > Rather, the Israelis increase the violence of their > > > "retaliatory" attacks, > > > > thinking the Palestinians will "give". > > > > Each side appears to think more violence will break the > > > other side's will. > > > > Instead, it makes each side's resolve even greater. > > > > > > > > And neither side is apparently willing to take any of the blame. > > > > > > > > Is there an answer to this other than more and more death? > > > > Much sadness... > > > > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
