You're implying that the other choices are not reliable. Are they not and 
what evidence do you have to prove it?
Besides the "faster development" argument, what other factors come into this 
decision?  I know the "out of the box" features are another argument, but 1) 
what are they and 2) which ones are really that useful that it justifies 
spending the money?  Have you considered that enterprise applications might 
require far more servers than typical CF servers and therefore cost more on 
the per-server basis as the number of servers scales up?

- Matt


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlie Griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <cf-community@houseoffusion.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: CF8 Sticker Shock


> this has been done to death over on cf-talk (and various blogs)...
>
> but let's say your manager wanted a car.  a RELIABLE car.  a car that
> would deliver the peace of mind of knowing that each morning it'd
> start and get him to where he needs to go.
>
> would he balk at the price of a lexus and opt for a yugo?  or would he
> shell out a few extra bucks knowing that it's an investment in knowing
> that he'll have what he wants (reliable transportation) in the future?
>
> if your manager balks at the sticker price without even considering
> the cost savings down the road, he sounds like the same type of
> manager who would want you to bang out code fast (doesn't matter if
> it's good, just fast) because he'd think that it saved him money.
>
> of course, that's not necessarily true.  code banged out fast may be
> money saved up front... but often results in having to revisit that
> code (over and over and over again) during the maintenance phase of
> the project's lifecycle.  the ever-increasing need to focus resources
> on maintenance aspects of the application means less time spent on new
> development which also means less revenue coming in long term.
>
> "faster development" is hardly what i'd refer to as a "blah blah
> blah".  if that's what your manager thinks... you might want to
> consider perusing the cf-jobs list.
>
> On 8/7/07, Matthew Blatchley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I started to talk to our higher ups about getting an Enterprise edition 
>> of
>> CF8, and then I looked at the price.
>>
>>     We've got CF, PHP, and .NET developers here and now I've been trumped
>> because of the price of CF8....they'll never go for a application server
>> that costs almost 8k.
>>
>> Anyone else finding that they can't compete in such a competitive
>> development market with a price tag like that or is it just us?
>>
>> The new features rock no doubt, but telling a manager that they have to 
>> pay
>> that much, they simply laughed in my face.  Now I have to go and face the
>> other developers knowing full well that they now have the upper hand with
>> the management because it "costs" them less.  And sure, you can talk all 
>> you
>> want to about faster development and better security blah blah blah, but 
>> a
>> manager isn't going to buy it because the price is too steep.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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