Well let's see. Education, I can see costs there. Medical overhead... hmm. Some of the stuff I was looking at said it tended to be young males who were crossing illegally, and they are not known for using a lot of medical service. There's probably some, since they mostly can't get insurance. Law enforcement -- I am excluding immigration-related costs. I suspect you are not. But ok, there's always the mexican nations who are caught with truckloads of pot and such. General load... I am not sure what in there you would attribute to illegal immigration?
On the benefit side you have the additional circulation of money, the contribution of labor, the additional tax payments which are never refunded, the subsidy to the social security system, the contribution of sometimes highly skilled labor.... Dana On 8/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you add: > > Education > Medical overhead and loss > Law Enforcement > General Load (infrastructure, public transportation, communications, > housing) > > I'm not so sure I'd agree. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:14 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? > > hard to say. I think much less in "welfare" than people would have you > believe. You cannot receive money from these programs unless you are > here legally. There are definitely costs, as in my example of a > truckload of illegal aliens flipping over. But I'm not sure you should > put that loss in an "illegals" column, as they would stay an maybe > even pay their hopital bill if they could. I think that loss and the > accompanying loss of productivity have to be added to the cost of the > current policy. > > Now, where you for sure have increased costs is in ESL teeachers in > the schools. Right offhand I can't think of another cost that is > definitely caused by illegal immigration though. Probably I am missing > something. > > I do suspect though that if you did a cost-benefit analysis you might > be surprised. > > On 8/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's taken back out in services at state and local level? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:24 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? > > > > Diane Rehms had a show today about this very thing. One of her guests > > quoted the Soc. security office that stated illegals contribute about > > 7.1 Billion to SS which they do not claim back. > > > > > > > > On 8/11/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My friend, you are trying to wield logic in a pissing contest. I > > > admire the attempt though..... > > > > > > On 8/10/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > okay, maybe I'm not being real clear. The guy I was talking to said > > > > that all of his workers had given him socials. He was withholding > > > > taxes on his workers paychecks, just like normal. His workers weren't > > > > filing for tax refunds since they were afraid of being "found". > > > > So therefore, from this perspective, the government is getting tax > > > > money that it wouldn't normally because at this income level, all of > > > > it would be a refund. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/10/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The opposite would happen. > > > > > > > > > > Those jobs would still have to be filled, taxes would still be > coming > > in, > > > > > and the number of American's unemployed would go down. More tax > > income, and > > > > > less government spending on welfare and social programs. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:57 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? > > > > > > > > > > yes, this is my point exactly. How much will we start losing in tax > > > > > revenue if we suddenly get rid of 12 million illegal immigrants. > > > > > > > > > > On 8/10/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > yes perhaps. Money is still going into the system under the > numbers > > > > > however. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/10/07, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'll bet that the socials are fake, or hijacked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Scott Stewart > > > > > > > ColdFusion Developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SSTWebworks > > > > > > > 4405 Oakshyre Way > > > > > > > Raleigh, NC. 27616 > > > > > > > (703) 220-2835 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sstwebworks.com > > > > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:52 PM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be curious as to how many of the 12 million illegals > > actually > > > > > > > do pay taxes. I was talking with a guy the other day and he > told > > me > > > > > > > that all of his workers had given him socials, but he was pretty > > sure > > > > > > > that most of them weren't legal and weren't filing for refunds > > since > > > > > > > they feared getting caught. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/10/07, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > My big problem, is that there are 12 million illegals in the > > country, > > > > > they > > > > > > > > use resources (clinics, schools, welfare, etc) intended for > tax > > paying > > > > > > > > citizens, without paying into the system. So their getting a > > free > > > > > ride. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two counties in Virginia, Prince William and Loudon > > that > > > > > have > > > > > > > > enacted legislation that requires proof of citizenship before > > being > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > access to county services, I'm all for this, provided that > it's > > a > > > > > level > > > > > > > > playing field, which means that everyone is held to the same > > standard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't buy into "oh it's so difficult and expensive to get > into > > the > > > > > US" > > > > > > > > it's not. The system does need to be streamlined, but I've > seen > > no > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > of any ridiculous fees... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also don't buy into the notion that the US owes the world > > something > > > > > and > > > > > > > > should simply throw open it's borders. There's not another > > country in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > world that has completely open borders, we shouldn't have them > > either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Scott Stewart > > > > > > > > ColdFusion Developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SSTWebworks > > > > > > > > 4405 Oakshyre Way > > > > > > > > Raleigh, NC. 27616 > > > > > > > > (703) 220-2835 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sstwebworks.com > > > > > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:00 PM > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >nah, the crime rate, the illegals who populate our jails, and > > the > > > > > money > > > > > > > > >I FUCKING SPEND ON IT with my $1000 a paycheck that goes > > towards > > > > > > > > >them and the fucking war in iraq. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to see some real numbers on that. 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