> Do you seriously think that whenever we do leave Iraq (whenever that
> may be, even years out) that the insurgents won't step right back in
> and take up their old positions?  Are there any examples of terrorism
> being stamped out?  I think it's a rose-colored view that temporary
> diminishing body counts mean progress

If we left the area without some form of solid government, which I
will fully admit is taking a frustrating amount of time in Iraq's
case, you are correct.

Look at recent areas where previous administrations have left too
early (or by my estimation too early) and you will, indeed, find
exactly what you're talking about.

We are trying to not do that in/to Iraq.  Hence the reason we've
stayed.  And we *are* making progress, not just in the lowered number
of attacks and deaths but also in gaining the support of tribal
leaders who are turning on the insurgents.  Some are paying the
ultimate price for that but that only works to fuel their camps
against the insurgents more.

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