I am sure that everything you say about your experiences is true. But I keep bringing it back to Ireland, where people had been killing each other for centuries, and atrocity after atrocity committed on both sides in an effort to eradicate the other side. And it wasn't those atrocities that created the peace there. Yes, that's a completely different culture, but certain human factors are constant -- when you start killing civilians, their family members feel there is no hope in anything but violence and revenge. So I do not think your way will work. Though I respect your courage in trying.
On Jan 31, 2008 7:43 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't do this with you anymore, you have been offered anecdotal > evidence by two members of the forces that are in theater. You're a > fool. That lady that used to baby sit for you would be stoned to death > by the insurgents. The moderates are looked at as traitors, and they > continue to say we need to be MORE understanding? Bullshit, the FBI > does it's Muslim training through CAIR, the DoD's Muslim (Mr. Islam, and > yes thats his name) expert is a "moderate Muslim". Both the > organization and the so called expert have been linked to terror groups > and groups that provide them financing. > > I am a bigot in this sense, I am a culturist, I've said this many times. > I want to see old school Muslim culture eradicated from the world, > like I do fascism, communism and socialism. Like I do South American > and African style military dictatorships. I'm a sheep dog, it's what I > do. I just hate it when people like you can't see whats in their own > best interest. > > Allowed it to be looted? Are we cops? I know I was never trained for > that. My sole job is to meet with and destroy the enemy, shoot, move > and communicate, and I am damn good at that job. I am now going through > training to make me able to effect the local population and their > support of our goals and aims including language training and cultural > training. This is only to support the goal of meeting with and > destroying the enemy. This is a war. Not some happy hippy circle. > > These people are too filled with hate to talk anymore? They came here > Dana, not the other way around. They have attacked us at home and > abroad and they have shown us that they will not stop. > > Oh and the Muslim extremists have been calling us crusaders far longer > than one US General spoke out of turn at a religious event. BTW he was > put out over it, and had to publicly apologize. However thats not good > enough right? Instead we should run like cowards, where American blood > has been spilled. > > > Dana wrote: > > who are "these people"? > > > > The very gentle woman who used to babysit Lara when she was two? Her > > husband? My old friends from student groups at Montgomery College? > > > > You sound like a Jim Crow bigot. > > > > Don't get me wrong, I think there are plenty of zealots on the other > > side. I don't think that is all there is though, and the idea that all > > we can do is kill "these people" really offends me. I think "these > > people" were a little upset by the fact that one of the US generals > > used the term crusader himself. I think "these people" were a little > > upset by the fact that we allowed an ancient civilization to be looted > > by grave robbers and said "Stuff happens." > > > > Some of "these people" are just too filled with hate to talk to > > anymore, but a lot of them would reciprocate and begin to police > > their own if we ceased to be so offensive. Witness the local concerned > > citizens they have enlisted over there :) > > > > Oh and by the way -- I don't work 9 to 5. > > > > Dana > > > > On Jan 31, 2008 6:29 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> How long has the Israel/Muslim thing been going on? > >> > >> Osama and his boys still call us crusaders, how long ago was that? > >> > >> Mikey mentioned AQ's issues with Spain being a Muslim country, when were > >> the moors kicked out? > >> > >> Trust me our memory is no where near as long as our enemies. You are > >> fooling yourself Dana. These people want nothing more than to come > >> here, chop off my head and rape you until you bleed to death. That is a > >> fact. You are nothing to them. If we allow it to spread it will > >> happen. It's ok though, enjoy your new house, and your 9-5. Other > >> people will keep you safe at night, while people like you sell us out in > >> the media, and deny us the weapons, money and freedom to actually > >> accomplish the task set before us. > >> > >> > >> Dana wrote: > >>> There was the Hundred Years' War back in the Dark Ages, yes. > >>> > >>> On Jan 31, 2008 5:36 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> In that case, 10 years isn't unusual at all to complete or continue a > >>>> war. You forget wars have taken 100s of years to be fully resolved > >>>> before. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dana wrote: > >>>>> yes I mean Iraq. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 30, 2008 9:26 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>> You mean Iraq? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> BTW, I would support an invasion of N. Korea. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If we are going to be an interventionist country lets freaking do it. > >>>>>> Mandatory service periods for all, hardship tours of several years. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Just too bad that the vast majority of the US are pussies. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dana wrote: > >>>>>>> so why not invade them? I just think the bit about how we are invading > >>>>>>> Iran because they invaded Kuwait back in the day does not pass the > >>>>>>> giggle test. Why not invade Mexico for fighting with us over Texas? > >>>>>>> Heck, why not bomb Britain for being mean to us in the 18th century? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2008 6:09 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> So what? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> N Korea and S Korea (and the US) are still legally at war to, so > >>>>>>>> what? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dana wrote: > >>>>>>>>> yes but that was years ago. Hell, Iraq invaded Kuwait while I was in > >>>>>>>>> Canada showing off my new baby, and he is in college now. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2008 3:34 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Also, what is this preemptive nonsense, unilateral, I'll give you, > >>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>> they did seriously invade Kuwait. We never signed a peace treaty > >>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>> them and were still officially at war right up until we toppled > >>>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>>> government. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dinner wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2008 9:13 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> If you are going to argue about military action, at least > >>>>>>>>>>>> address the > >>>>>>>>>>>> realities of the theater you are talking about. We could have > >>>>>>>>>>>> pulverized > >>>>>>>>>>>> North Korea years ago, but it would have cost of the lives of > >>>>>>>>>>>> 70,000+ US > >>>>>>>>>>>> servicemen in the Korean DMZ, maybe a million+ South Koreans in > >>>>>>>>>>>> range of > >>>>>>>>>>>> North Korean artillery (e.g. all of Seoul) and perhaps even some > >>>>>>>>>>>> Japanese > >>>>>>>>>>>> unlucky enough to be in range of North Korean missiles. No one > >>>>>>>>>>>> is going to > >>>>>>>>>>>> make that trade for a preemptive strike, although I could see it > >>>>>>>>>>>> being made > >>>>>>>>>>>> if the North were in the process of invading the South. > >>>>>>>>>>> Hey hey! Look how we choose who to "premptivly attack". =] > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Iraq was the logical choice, since we didn't think we'd loose "too > >>>>>>>>>>> much", or what? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> And what about Cheney's "it would be a quagmire" crap, from > >>>>>>>>>>> before the war? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Damn man, the whole thing was just executed piss-poor. I like > >>>>>>>>>>> seeing > >>>>>>>>>>> "bad guys" swinging from the gallows as much as the next guy, but > >>>>>>>>>>> sheesh. These are our countrypeople dieing for these decisions! > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> You don't just play with life and death like that, and then say > >>>>>>>>>>> "God > >>>>>>>>>>> has my back, I don't even feel bad", and whatnot. Or you can, > >>>>>>>>>>> but you > >>>>>>>>>>> loose my respect. "too many funerals to make it to"... yeah... > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Go buy some stuff, you Patriots. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> (Not you, Rob-dawg-- the American People) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> I have found the best way to give advice to your children is to > >>>>>>>>>>> find > >>>>>>>>>>> out what they want and then advise them to do it. > >>>>>>>>>>> Harry S Truman > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:252905 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
