> tBone wrote:
> Thats not the INITIATION of violence.
>
> You can't start it.
>

Yeah, but from their perspective they didn't start it.

They government broke into his buddy's apartment in the middle of the
night and murdered him and his friend and wounded 4 others.

In fact later on, the families sued and got a multimillion dollar settlement.

My question is, at what point do YOU consider the government at war with YOU.

If agents of the government kill your friends BECAUSE they're your
friends, is the government at war with you?

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