It looked to me like they were _all_ on a street. Are streets not public there? was that a private road? (I don't know this answer)
I would not have been waving the gun around, which is a stupid thing to do. But if I had a gun, and was accosted in such a way by these 5 guys, with more behind them, I would not have turned my back, but would have slowly retreated facing them (as these two seem to have been doing). And if they closed with me, and started to grapple, AND IF I FEARED THEY WERE GOING TO KILL ME, I would have opened fire, too. My point is that without context, which I do not have even with all of the reading I have tried to do), I cannot fault either side for their actions. Being there on that street at that time = dumb Waving a gun at an irate group = dumb Throwing rocks at people = dumb Letting a 13 year old throw rocks at a person with a gun = really dumb Pushing and trying to grab a man with a gun = really dumb The only "smart" guy in this whole thing was the friend of the guy with the gun. He ran away when the crowd grabbed his friend. What is that old joke? You don't have to be faster than the lion.... Imagine this on Cops, in any hick town in America. Bad Boys, bad boys, whachoo gonna do? Guy gets kicked out of his trailer by the cops, and is escorted off. Hours later he comes back, wielding a gun, and the people in the park start throwing rocks at him. They slowly surround him, and try to grab him and his gun. And he shoots them, and they jump him and start to stomp him. And finally the police come. Sure, the guy gets charged with tresspassing (even if the trailer park road is public). He gets charged with numerous gun charges, including attempted murder. The people in the crowd also get charged with assault, maybe with a deadly weapon for the rocks. The guys in the beat down get charged with assault, maybe with a deadly weapon for the boots. And the cops tell them they are idiots to surround a guy with a gun. The prosecuter loves the video. And I am not sure which convictions will stick. It all depends on what happened TO THESE PARTICULAR people when the cops came last time. And their prior records. And how good their attorneys are, and how well they clean up in a suit. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > JJ wrote: > > You just argued 2 sides of the same argument. > > > > Which was it? He didn't use deadly force, or he tried to murder them? > > > > My point was that the use of the gun was not justified even ignoring > any issues about who's property was who's. The gun owner had no > reason to have it out and he could've simply walked away; instead he's > clearly provoking the crowd. > > So, ignoring all other issues, the gun toter is in the wrong. > > Then you add in the fact that he was trespassing and it makes him all the > worse. > > As to your response, it's your choice if you want to excuse someone > for murdering your family while illegally trespassing on your > property. Luckily the law doesn't agree with you. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:282274 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
