>So punishment fitting the crime is simplistic? And now that you've grown
>older you realize the benifit of excessive punishment? God help your kids if
>they ever get caught shoplifting.

So when does the excessive punishment simply become sadism? Excessive 
punishment rewards the one doing the punishment, it doesn't stop the behavior 
being punished. If you use the concept of excessive punishment with your kids 
what's the difference between that and physical abuse? 

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