a more correct analogy would be someone who walked into your house, looked at a bunch of stuff, then left and changed the locks.
the guy didn't actually steal anything...at least as far as I can tell. > > > So, if you purposely leave your house unlocked, it would be OK for > someone to just walk in a take stuff? > > Or is it only if you think the person leaving themselves open to > attack are stupid or disagree with your political ideology? > > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I do, especially in this case. She testified at his trial and when >> they asked her why she chose such an easy-to-guess security question >> she said that she wasn't trying to keep the answer secret. Headsmack. >> >> See my point? >> >> Mind you, the idiot at Yahoo who wrote the stupid question, which >> would be easily guessed in almost everyone's case, deserves to be >> painted pink and made to walk naked through the Castro District. That >> person should have known better. >> >> And so should she. She was the governor of a large state and is a >> sure-fire presidential candidate. She didn't see the point of a secret >> question that is secret? Sweet Jesus. She was conducting public >> business on that account. >> >> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> OK, first 'crooked politician' is redundant. You cannot get to the >>> level VP or presidential level without some skeletons in your closet. >>> SOme are juts better at keeping them hidden or making people believe >>> the skeletons don't actually exist. >>> >>> I don't think the criteria of 'is the person dangerous' should be the >>> only criteria for a jail sentence. Prison is not just to protect the >>> general public from 'bad guys' its to punish those who break the law >>> (and get caught, tried and convicted). Do I think this guy should get >>> a long jail sentence? Not at all, but I think some jail time is >>> warranted. as well as some community service. I like the idea of >>> teaching people how to secure their online accounts with strogn >>> passwords and good 'secret questions' >>> >>> Lastly, I do not think it matters how he gained acces to her account. >>> If you left your front door wide open and someone just walked in a >>> took stuff, is it any less of a crime than someone who picked the lock >>> to gain entry? >>> >>> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> he's less than a script kiddy. He's a total amateur. Did he have any >>>> kind of a record? You guys are going to make me go read the news >>>> stories, aren't you... I do not have time for that shineola! I have >>>> stuff to do. But the danger he currently represents to society is >>>> pretty small, and the danger to him in a county jail is pretty big. >>>> >>>> And think of this, if he had had a blog, people would be calling him a >>>> citizen journalist and probably giving him awards as well. >>>> >>>> I don't condone what he did -- privacy is important. But the alleged >>>> victim in this case is a public figure whose wrongdoing was exposed >>>> through his actions. Where he deviated from eligibility for press >>>> protection is that he gave what he found to someone who made political >>>> hay with it. (his dad? not sure) >>>> >>>> I reserve the right to change my mind about this once I get a better >>>> handle on what came out at trial, but that's the way it looks from >>>> here. >>>> >>>> And actually, I am not really doing the ethical hacker on you, Scout. >>>> I am doing a damage assessment. A crooked politician was mildly >>>> embarrassed, Wah, wah wah. As for the term, have used it myself for >>>> the guys who were tryinig to get into a client network from some >>>> zombie botnet in Vietnam. I spent Friday night working at the Hacker >>>> Dojo where "hacker" means a guy who makes stuff work. It's not the way >>>> the word is used in the mass media, but they get pretty heated about >>>> it there. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:15 AM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You're coming at this from the point of view of an ethical hacker and >>>>> professional. I assure you on the black hat side of things you know as > well >>>>> as I do that the intrusion method isn't as important as the intrusion >>>>> itself. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:23 AM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: Palin email hacking case - guilty! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I know all sorts of people who would tell you that he was not a >>>>> hacker, either, just a black hat who now makes money off his >>>>> reputation, >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(computing) >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_Ethic >>>>> >>>>> but I have things to do and am not going to argue the usage as applied >>>>> to Mitnick. This kid did not need even script kiddy skills therefore I >>>>> don't believe that anyone would agree with you. >>>>> >>>>> I do however want to say that I do not think that punking Palin merits >>>>> a sentence of likely gang rape. Community service perhaps, perhaps in >>>>> a hackerspace where he can make himself useful or better yet in his >>>>> local library teaching people how to secure their passwords. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Robert Munn <cfmuns...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> but it's not a jail time thing in a world where Scooter Libby >>>>>>> skates. >>>>>> >>>>>> that subject was beaten, beheaded, cremated and buried. let's not >>>>>> resurrect it from the dead. >>>>>> >>>>>> And by the way, he did not HACK her account. If changed her >>>>>>> password by using publicly available information to answer the >>>>>>> security question. >>>>>> >>>>>> that's still hacking. one-time super-hacker Kevin Mitnick did most of >>>>>> his damage through social engineering of exactly this sort. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:317119 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
