Please list at least two of them. Its all ok to say such, but I'd still like to see the citation rather than depend on a second or third hand account. One of the most basic things you learn in experimental design and data analysis courses is never depend on secondary or tertiary sources. You may be correct. Then again you may be distorting things considerably to support your point. How do I know? Unless I can see the studies myself and judge their methodological adequacy I have no idea whether your point is valid or not. 2 or 3 citations from peer reviewed journals would be enough.
As for the rest, well you know my opinion on argument by anecdote. On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Larry - for years, proponents of home schooling have said that the > children do not get as good of an education. There have been numerous > studies that have shown that, on average, home schooled children score > better on standardized tests than their public or even private school > counterparts. > > I firmly believe that one reason is because of the student teacher > ratio. My children get a crap ton more attention and specialized > teaching from a 'non-professional' than either of them would ever hope > to get from a 'professional' in public school. > > Public schools have to teach to the average students, so the gifted > ones cannot excel and the ones who need help are left struggling. we > do not have that issue. > > The idea that you have to be a 'professional' to teach children is > absurd. We all teach our children all the time, whether it is part of > a classroom or not. > > According to the laws of West Virginia, we have the right, as long as > we meet the criteria to show our children's progress, to home school > our children until they complete high school. Will this be the best > course of action for my children? I believe so. My older son, who > suffered a stroke when he was born, learns and thinks differently than > most children. He would be struggling in public school, but, because > he gets focused and customized instruction, he is at or above his > grade level in all classes (based on his test results form last year). > > The thing I find most humorous about the whole home school debate is > that most teachers (you know, those 'professionals') we have spoken to > about home schooling support our decision and agree with our reasons > for doing so. > > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> That's hared to say. I'd like to see a couple of citations on that. >> >> That said what is really solid is not public vs private schooling for >> instance but parental involvement. So for the research seems to point >> in that direction. I just found another fairly solid study that >> examined it. Solid in that in terms of experimental design etc it >> approaches adequacy. >> >> As for home schooling, well parental involvement is moot. The parents >> are involved. However I'm rather skeptical about the outcomes. Lets >> face it except for a few exceptions home schooling is mostly done by >> amateurs not professionals. I am sure if for instance given the >> student teacher ratio found in home schooling situations, much better >> outcomes may be possible if using professionals. Similarly if you >> could have the same degree of parental involvement again I think that >> you'd have much better academic achievement with professionals than >> with amateurs. >> >> As an aside some interesting data was released recently on the Charter >> vs DC public schools. It would appear that across the board Charter >> schools have not lived up to their promise. Children in the DC school >> system showed a much better increases in Maths and Sciences than the >> Charter Schools in DC. for instance in >> http://www.publicschoolreview.com/articles/123 >> -- >> ...recent investigations conducted by the Center for Research on >> Education Outcomes at Stanford University reveal that students' test >> scores may prove that public schools are now outperforming charter >> schools. >> -- >> Similar results have been found with private vs public schooling as >> well. Controlling for income and parental involvement, thee is no >> difference. I suspect that something similar will be found withe home >> schooling, despite the temper tantrums some (not you Scott) on this >> list will have over my last statement. >> >> >> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It is in the state's interest to ensure a minimal standard of >>>> education. Its also in the state's interest to ensure that the >>>> children are not abused or neglected. We may couch these in moral or >>>> legalistic terms, but the bottom line it that it is the concern of the >>>> state. >>> >>> >>> I am not debating what is or is not in the state's best interest. Eric >>> specifically stated that unless you are a trained/certified teacher, >>> you should not be allowed to homeschool. >>> >>> It is entirely possible, as studies have shown, for someone to >>> homeschool their children and meet (and often times exceed) the >>> 'minimal standard of education'. >>> >>> Eric seems to only care about those 'rights' he agrees with. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Scott Stroz >>> --------------- >>> You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can >>> wonder what the f*&k happened. - Cpt. 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