but at the end of the day, what do we have? Nothing of any real value
or use.. while the so called moderates on both sides are still too
afraid to rattle the cages of the party masters.

real reform will come from returning this type of legislation to the
state level where it belongs.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Judah McAuley <ju...@wiredotter.com> wrote:
>
> I'll agree with the need for reform, as I already have, but the
> extremists on the left currently in the driver's seat? That would be
> the Democrats who dismissed single payer health care before
> negotiations even started? There are extremists on the left, no doubt,
> when you are talking social welfare programs, the "extremists" on the
> left haven't been allowed to the negotiating table (literally in the
> case of Health Insurance Reform) and even the positions that they are
> pushing are ones that are settled programs in the countries of our
> close allies, like Canada and England. Rather difficult to call that
> extremism and they are certainly not in the drivers seat.
>
> Judah
>
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Scott Stewart
> <webmas...@sstwebworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> The question should be "Who has the stones to take an objective
>> viewpoint and clean up these programs so that they do the work that
>> they're intended to do without being the drain that they are on the
>> economy".
>>
>> I don't think those stones exist in either the extremists on the left
>> or the extremists on the right that are currently in the driver's seat
>
> 

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