Hatton-

Thank you for an excellent, well-reasoned and mannered 
post, sir.

Points very well taken.

-Ben

P.S. and why do you think a while back I switched to my 
home email address?  <grin>


> Some things to point out:
> 
> 1.  This list (and alll of the HOF lists) are archived on a web-based 
> resource that has been hit at least in the past by robots (I did a 
> search for my email address on Google and got a post from the CF-Linux 
> list).  If your employer, spouse, friend or whoever decides they're 
> going to look they can find things that are posted here.
> 
> 2.  We are all adults, or at least old enough to hold a job in the IT 
> industry and smart enough to use and understand the workings of 
> scripting and programming languages.  We need to act accordingly in 
> public.  Yes, this is an email list and we can carry on about muffins 
> and evil Jar Jar's and Binary and ferrets, but there are at least some 
> rules of civility that I think we should maintain.
> 
> 3.  We are all as dynamic as the applications we write.  Take one look 
> at the religous, political or ethical debates that we have had in the 
> past.  The thing to always remember is that we hold each other at an 
> equal level.  The minute we lower ourselves by calling names or 
> assigning labels we take the chance that we're going to insult someone 
> personally.
> 
> 4.  IMHO if you're going to use a business email address then at least 
> some people are going to draw conclusions based on messages posted. 
> When I was in the military I knew that anything I did in uniform 
> reflected both on myself and on my service.  I personally attach 
> signatures more than email addresses, but it's the same concept.
> 
> 5.  Threats can be a double-edged sword.  Even when they're not initally 
> meant to be a threat, words can be (and have been) misconstrued too 
> easily.  That's one of the down-sides of email, you can't put enough 
> emoticons and emphasis into a written word to make it truly convey the 
> message you're trying to get through all the time.
> 
> In the end, what we post to this list isn't private, so don't treat it 
> accordingly.  I try not to make direct references when I'm talking about 
> work for just that reason.  Let's try to act with at least a little 
> maturity.  Conversations go so much better when that happens.
> 
> .. and now I'm going back to work!
> Hatton
> 
> Judith Dinowitz wrote:
> 
> > Well, if anyone actually did such a thing and used this list to personally 
> > hurt someone else, they would be taken off the list permanently. There 
> > would be no warning and no second chances. (Of course, their action would 
> > have to be verified by Michael or by me first -- but we would check it out, 
> > carefully and quickly.)
> > 
> > Judith
> > 
> > 
> >>Eeek.
> >>Can we all agree that posts to the list have to stay on the list - no
> >>forwarding?
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 7:47 AM
> >>Subject: Good Bye!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Well, I have been told by Mr. Haggerty that I offend anyone ever again
> >>>he is going to email my employer (of course that messages was not sent
> >>>to the list).  Knowing that it is impossible for me not to offend
> >>>someone I am signing of the list.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Had fun while it lasted.  I hope to see you guys in the future, at least
> >>>at DevCon.  My invitation for the debate still stands Larry!  Or anyone
> >>>else who wants.  I will see most of you at the community suite this
> >>>year.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Kevin
> >>>
> > 
> > 
> 
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