(*laughs*) here, have some... I need to go on a diet anyways.  Maybe all 
these parades I'm carrying a sousaphone in this summer will help me get 
rid of some of this excess bulk I've been toting around.

On the serious side, I try to read through anything I send to this list 
when it's in a debate (argument, disagreement, question of 
rationalization, whatever) after I've stepped away from the issue for at 
least a few minutes.  I've found that if I don't try and at least make 
sure everything's worded (and spelled) the way that I want it to be I 
end up either not making the point I want to or, worse yet, making an 
ass of myself.

Doors open here in Buffalo, it's nice and warm out and the A/C isn't on 
that high, so "Yay, more allergens!"... oh wait, wrong attitude ;)

Hatton

Bill Wheatley wrote:

> bah my post hit the list before hattons :( no muffins for me
> 
> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
> not fairrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
> 
> Bill Wheatley
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Observations (was Re: Good Bye!)
> 
> 
> 
>>Thank you, Hatton! Well said!  A fresh, toasted muffin for the man ...
>>Todd, better hold off on those nukes, for now.
>>
>>Judith
>>
>>
>>>Some things to point out:
>>>
>>>1.  This list (and alll of the HOF lists) are archived on a web-based
>>>resource that has been hit at least in the past by robots (I did a
>>>search for my email address on Google and got a post from the CF-Linux
>>>list).  If your employer, spouse, friend or whoever decides they're
>>>going to look they can find things that are posted here.
>>>
>>>2.  We are all adults, or at least old enough to hold a job in the IT
>>>industry and smart enough to use and understand the workings of
>>>scripting and programming languages.  We need to act accordingly in
>>>public.  Yes, this is an email list and we can carry on about muffins
>>>and evil Jar Jar's and Binary and ferrets, but there are at least some
>>>rules of civility that I think we should maintain.
>>>
>>>3.  We are all as dynamic as the applications we write.  Take one look
>>>at the religous, political or ethical debates that we have had in the
>>>past.  The thing to always remember is that we hold each other at an
>>>equal level.  The minute we lower ourselves by calling names or
>>>assigning labels we take the chance that we're going to insult someone
>>>personally.
>>>
>>>4.  IMHO if you're going to use a business email address then at least
>>>some people are going to draw conclusions based on messages posted.
>>>When I was in the military I knew that anything I did in uniform
>>>reflected both on myself and on my service.  I personally attach
>>>signatures more than email addresses, but it's the same concept.
>>>
>>>5.  Threats can be a double-edged sword.  Even when they're not initally
>>>meant to be a threat, words can be (and have been) misconstrued too
>>>easily.  That's one of the down-sides of email, you can't put enough
>>>emoticons and emphasis into a written word to make it truly convey the
>>>message you're trying to get through all the time.
>>>
>>>In the end, what we post to this list isn't private, so don't treat it
>>>accordingly.  I try not to make direct references when I'm talking about
>>>work for just that reason.  Let's try to act with at least a little
>>>maturity.  Conversations go so much better when that happens.
>>>
>>>.. and now I'm going back to work!
>>>Hatton
>>>
>>
> 
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