Tim-

Welcome to the looney bin; I mean, our community list.
Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference <grin>.

Have a nice fresh banana-macadamia muffin, sir -- 
normally go with blueberry, but just got back from 
Kaua'i.

(Tradition on the list: we welcome newcomers and console 
folks having a bad day with fresh muffins, and throw 
stale or lacquered ones at transgressors. For serious 
violations, like some of my puns, they bop you over the 
head with the muffin pan.)

-Ben (to most people)
-Benny (to Eri*K*a with a K in the UK with Phi*L*ip with 
one L)

explaining that: we used to have an Erica and Erika. She 
started saying "Erika with a K" in her sig. Then she met 
Philip from Britain (not Phillip) at DevCon, got 
married, and moved from NJ to the UK.

So, y'see, what we have here with this list is all soap -
-- part soap opera, part soapbox <grin>.

bb
> By the way Ben, we have a newbie here. Joined while you were on vaca.
> 
> A newbie to community, but not to CF ... He's been a fixture over on the
> fusebox lists for awhile ... Causing trouble over there ... Now he's
> decided to come over here and learn how to throw muffin pans. <g>
> 
> So, give him an official Benny welcome!
> 
> Erika
> With a K
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> >>| -----Original Message-----
> >>| From: Timothy Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>| Subject: RE: Debate the following points for a chance to 
> >>| win a new Muffin Toaster
> >>| 
> >>| 
> >>| I think retribution against the families of the bombers is
> >>| a bad idea.  You would be creating more not less antagonism.
> >>| 
> >>| As far as invading Iraq, well it's a mixed bag.  For one I
> >>| don't think we should care a wit what the EU has to say 
> >>| about what we do as a sovereign nation, if it is to defend 
> >>| ourselves.  And yes I feel that a preemptive strike is a 
> >>| sort of defense.
> >>| 
> >>| On the other hand I am personally against invading Iraq.
> >>| My reasons are simple.  The current regime is known and we 
> >>| have no idea what the government that follows would be 
> >>| like.  Look at what happened in Iran.  A perfect example of 
> >>| our good intentions backfiring.  Also I think you would see 
> >>| a totally different army inside the borders of Iraq, form 
> >>| the one that surrendered to us in Saudi and Kuwait.  Add in 
> >>| the fact that we would probably end up facing Iranian and 
> >>| Iraq armies and quite possibly other nations, and many if 
> >>| not all of the Arab nations would begin exporting junior 
> >>| terrorists in even higher numbers than currently.  All in 
> >>| all I say its a loose loose scenario.
> >>| 
> >>| I am personally against most foreign intervention, where it
> >>| doesn't impact us directly.  The invasion of Kuwait was 
> >>| justified in that the loss of the oil supplies from that 
> >>| part of the world would make life very difficult for us, 
> >>| and would have caused strategic problems for us as well, 
> >>| the modern army runs on gas :) So we were acting in our own defense.
> >>| 
> >>| As long as they stay within their borders, they are still a
> >>| sovereign nation as far as I am concerned.
> >>| 
> >>| Tim Heald
> >>| Developer
> >>| Schoollink, Inc.
> >>| 910.223.2116 x 122
> >>| 
> >>| 
> >>| http://www.schoollink.net
> >>| Providing technology solutions for educators
> >>| 
> >>| Fusebox Advisory Committee
> >>| http://www.fusebox.org
> >>| 
> >>| Fayetteville ColdFusion User Group
> >>| http://www.fcfug.org
> >>| 
> >>| 
> >>| > -----Original Message-----
> >>| > From: Smith, Matthew P -CONT(DYN)
> >>| > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>| > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:33 PM
> >>| > To: CF-Community
> >>| > Subject: RE: Debate the following points for a chance to win a new
> >>| > Muffin Toaster
> >>| >
> >>| >
> >>| > >>> Israel Demurs on Deporting Bomb Suspects' Relatives Israel
> >>| > >>> appeared to be backing off from its plan to deport 
> >>| relatives of
> >>| > >>West Bank Palestinians accused of suicide bombings to the
> >>| > crowded, fenced-
> >>| > >>in Gaza Strip.
> >>| > >>
> >>| > >>Bad plan from the start. Don't accuse, prove. Then hang them.
> >>| >
> >>| > Hang the relatives of bombers?
> >>| >
> >>| > Matt
> >>| >
> >>| >
> >>| > >>-----Original Message-----
> >>| > >>From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>| > >>Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:21 AM
> >>| > >>To: CF-Community
> >>| > >>Subject: Re: Debate the following points for a chance to win a
> >>| > new Muffin
> >>| > >>Toaster
> >>| > >>
> >>| > >>Bill Wheatley wrote:
> >>| > >>> Yes some people toats muffins :P
> >>| > >>>
> >>| > >>> Israel Demurs on Deporting Bomb Suspects' Relatives Israel
> >>| > >>> appeared to be backing off from its plan to deport 
> >>| relatives of
> >>| > >>West Bank Palestinians accused of suicide bombings to the
> >>| > crowded, fenced-
> >>| > >>in Gaza Strip.
> >>| > >>
> >>| > >>Bad plan from the start. Don't accuse, prove. Then hang them.
> >>| > >>
> >>| > >>
> >>| > >>> Europeans Split With U.S. on Need for Iraq Attack There is a 
> >>| > >>> striking agreement in Europe that Saddam Hussein's
> >>| > government
> >>| > >>is dangerous, but any agreement breaks down over strategic
> >>| > >>priorities in the Middle East.
> >>| > >>
> >>| > >>It is totally unclear to me what the priorities of both
> >>| the US and
> >>| > >>the EU are in the ME, so I will not get into this one.
> >>| > >>
> >>| > >>Jochem
> >>| > >>
> >>| > >>
> >>| > 
> >>| 
> 
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