Hmmmm so "I think, therefore I am " will work in this instance.



Douglas Brown
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From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Heaven and Hell Re: Palestinian killed soldier 'after losing bet'


> So that means that Manson is going to heaven because he believes he is. Love
the modern concept but it's another of those that tries to take a supreme
judge out of the picture.
> "We want heaven and hell but we don't want God."
> Got to love modern philosophy.
>
> > I liked the idea in one of Heinlein's books (Sail Beyond The Sunset,
maybe?) that you created your own heaven and hell.
> >
> > That you basically get the type of after-life experience that you believe
you are going to get.
> >
> > So if you believe fervently in heaven and hell, and you believe by your
actions you belong in one or the other, you will.
> >
> > (Not to say I believe this idea, but it is interesting.)
> >
> > Jerry Johnson
> >
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/14/02 03:42PM >>>
> > You know, with all the different religions etc..it makes you wonder which
is
> > correct and which is not. Is it that all religions that worship God is
correct
> > or do you have to be of a certain faith? I get so confused when it comes
to
> > religion, and each one always say's that there way is the only way.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Douglas Brown
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: Palestinian killed soldier 'after losing bet'
> >
> >
> > > We do, but not the hell of Christianity with eternal torment and the
devil.
> > Gehenim is a place to 'burn off' your sins. It gets really complicated,
but
> > there is something.
> > >
> > >
> > > > i thought jews dont believe in hell?
> > > >
> > > > Bill Wheatley
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> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:52 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Palestinian killed soldier 'after losing bet'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > He should burn in hell.
> > > > >
> > > > > Judith
> > > > > Who is too sickened for words
> > > > >
> > > > > >http://www.worldonline.co.za/news/news_center_020813.511647.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >[Jerusalem, August 13 ] - A Palestinian militia leader who lost a
card
> > > > > >game with fellow gunmen struck a deal to pay off
> > > > > >his "debt": he killed an Israeli soldier, the army has said. Atef
> > Abayat,
> > > > > >the Bethlehem leader of the Al Aqsa Martyrs'
> > > > > >Brigade, which is linked to Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, shot
and
> > > > > >killed the soldier in April 2001. The soldier had
> > > > > >been guarding Rachel's Tomb, an Israeli enclave in Bethlehem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The army said it learned of the card game from a captured
militiaman,
> > > > Omar
> > > > > >Abu Sneineh.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Abayat and two other gunmen were killed last November when the car
in
> > > > > >which they were driving exploded. Palestinian
> > > > > >officials accused Israel of planting explosives in the car, a
charge
> > > > > >Israel has neither confirmed nor denied.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >According to Abu Sneineh's testimony, Abayat and other men were
playing
> > > > > >cards in April 2001 and decided that the loser
> > > > > >would have to kill an Israeli soldier. After the killing, "Abayat
> > proudly
> > > > > >told his friends" he had carried out the
> > > > > >attack, the army said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"This chilling story shows ... the worthlessness of the sanctity of
> > human
> > > > > >life in the eyes of Palestinian terror
> > > > > >organisations," it said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The Maariv daily newspaper identified the slain soldier as Danny
Deri,
> > > > 19.
> > > > > >He was killed when two bullets punctured his
> > > > > >flak jacket as he completed guard duty at Rachel's Tomb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"I'm in shock that a cruel killer took my son's life because he
lost a
> > > > > >card game," the soldier's father was quoted as
> > > > > >saying.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
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