Sorry,
In 12 step programs (like AA, NA) one of the steps has to do with a "higher
power". It's called that so as to not alienate anyone.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:06 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: God Re: Palestinian killed soldier 'after losing bet'
>
>
> 12 step?
>
> > deity, higher power?
> >
> > Can you say 12 step :)
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:57 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Palestinian killed soldier 'after losing bet'
> > >
> > >
> > > Language, what a thing to cause problems. God of course implies
> > > male, but Judaism and Islam (as I understand it) does not hold
> > > any gender to God. Neo-Paganism holds by a God and a Goddess, but
> > > you almost never hear them say God. Reaction and rejection of
> > > Christianity in action. I don't know anyone who actually actively
> > > worships the Greek pantheon, but I do know people who worship by
> > > the Indian pantheon. And on and on and on.
> > > Language just doesn't exist to discuss this without getting into
> > > gender issues.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Not all religions worship god. Many worship a goddess. And
> > > others worship
> > > > things that cannot be described. Many religions have more
> then a single
> > > > deity.
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Subject: Re: Palestinian killed soldier 'after losing bet'
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You know, with all the different religions etc..it makes you
> > > > > wonder which is
> > > > > correct and which is not. Is it that all religions that worship
> > > > > God is correct
> > > > > or do you have to be of a certain faith? I get so confused when
> > > > > it comes to
> > > > > religion, and each one always say's that there way is the
> only way.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Douglas Brown
> > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:34 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Palestinian killed soldier 'after losing bet'
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > We do, but not the hell of Christianity with eternal torment
> > > > > and the devil.
> > > > > Gehenim is a place to 'burn off' your sins. It gets really
> > > > > complicated, but
> > > > > there is something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > i thought jews dont believe in hell?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill Wheatley
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> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:52 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Palestinian killed soldier 'after losing bet'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He should burn in hell.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Judith
> > > > > > > > Who is too sickened for words
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >http://www.worldonline.co.za/news/news_center_020813.511647.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >[Jerusalem, August 13 ] - A Palestinian militia leader who
> > > > > lost a card
> > > > > > > > >game with fellow gunmen struck a deal to pay off
> > > > > > > > >his "debt": he killed an Israeli soldier, the army has
> > > said. Atef
> > > > > Abayat,
> > > > > > > > >the Bethlehem leader of the Al Aqsa Martyrs'
> > > > > > > > >Brigade, which is linked to Yasser Arafat's Fatah
> > > > > movement, shot and
> > > > > > > > >killed the soldier in April 2001. The soldier had
> > > > > > > > >been guarding Rachel's Tomb, an Israeli enclave in
> Bethlehem.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >The army said it learned of the card game from a captured
> > > > > militiaman,
> > > > > > > Omar
> > > > > > > > >Abu Sneineh.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Abayat and two other gunmen were killed last November when
> > > > > the car in
> > > > > > > > >which they were driving exploded. Palestinian
> > > > > > > > >officials accused Israel of planting explosives in the
> > > > > car, a charge
> > > > > > > > >Israel has neither confirmed nor denied.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >According to Abu Sneineh's testimony, Abayat and other men
> > > > > were playing
> > > > > > > > >cards in April 2001 and decided that the loser
> > > > > > > > >would have to kill an Israeli soldier. After the
> > > killing, "Abayat
> > > > > proudly
> > > > > > > > >told his friends" he had carried out the
> > > > > > > > >attack, the army said.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >"This chilling story shows ... the worthlessness of
> > > the sanctity of
> > > > > human
> > > > > > > > >life in the eyes of Palestinian terror
> > > > > > > > >organisations," it said.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >The Maariv daily newspaper identified the slain soldier as
> > > > > Danny Deri,
> > > > > > > 19.
> > > > > > > > >He was killed when two bullets punctured his
> > > > > > > > >flak jacket as he completed guard duty at Rachel's Tomb.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >"I'm in shock that a cruel killer took my son's life
> > > > > because he lost a
> > > > > > > > >card game," the soldier's father was quoted as
> > > > > > > > >saying.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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