<apologies in advance for the irreverence, but I just *had* to lighten this up a bit...>
"First rule of Bumfight Club, you do not remember Bumfight Club. Second rule of Bumfight Club, you DO NOT remember Bumfight Club." -Ben > I don't feel the need to defend myself after your flury against my > childhood, but if you'd like to know - my full time job is helping to > empower and educate the same people we're talking about. Yes, I'm doing > something about it, and not just talking from my silver spoon fed view of > the world as you've somehow eluded to. > > The point I was trying to make is that the people who created the film don't > belong in jail. It's hypocritical in the face of numerous other situations > in society that actually promote this type of behavior. You said the > creators were sick and that they should have to "play b**** to some of the > more violent inhabitants". You had no mention of the demand for this type of > material, and didn't seem to think the consumers were 'sick' in anyway. But > I'm assuming that since it was made available to the marketplace, the > consumers were probably forced to watch it too. I'm just trying to get a > feel for how you'd solve the problem yourself. Basically it sounds like your > solution is to throw the suppliers in jail and to censor the consumers > because they don't really know what they want. > > Jail and censorship is shortsighted, but somehow you seem to be all for it. > Is it just easier for you to not really think critically about the problem? > > Adam. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:08 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > > > > But is it. Are the people being filmed making an informed > > choice? From your > > answers so far I do not think I'd be wrong to say you've > > probably had only > > very minimal contact with people who are homeless, and who > > have addiction > > problems. At the most I would guess that you may have given a > > bit of spare > > change to a homeless person begging in the street. Have you > > ever volunteered > > at a homeless shelter? Or done any work with people in these > > circumstances. > > I think if you had you'd have a very different opinion. It > > must be very nice > > to have grown up as a child of privilege never having to > > worry about any of > > the above problems, like where you next meal is coming from, > > where you are > > going to sleep that night and if you'll survive the night > > when sleeping. I > > think with more experience you'd end up being a lot less callous and > > uncaring. > > > > Its not a matter of doing something against their own free > > will. That has > > never entered into the equation. They do not have the choice. > > When you're > > broke, homeless and addicted, and suddenly offered what is to > > you a lot of > > money and all the drugs/alcohol etc, there is no choice > > involved. This is > > coersion pure and simple. There just was not any physical force used. > > > > Its not a matter of education or free speech. Those are > > strawmen arguements. > > They have nothing to do with the issue here. Then by making > > the accusation > > that I'm against free speech etc. what you are doing is > > trying to close the > > issue by demonizing those who do not agree with you. Very typical. > > > > From what you are saying is that its OK to let other people > > exploit and > > profit off those who are homeless etc. Hey no problems if the > > guy tears out > > his front teeth, we've given him money, no harm done. So what > > if they've > > beat that other guy to a pulp. We've given them all money. It > > doesn't matter > > that in few days the first guy is in the hospital emergency room with > > massive infections, or that that second guy is there as well, > > with major > > brain damage. Its all free speech after all. > > > > larry > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:41 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > > > > > > > I really get tired of people living their lives not according > > > to my personal > > > views too, but as long as it's not physically harming anyone > > > against their > > > own will, I don't propose we censor or throw them in jail > > > because of it. > > > What I do propose is education and free speech. Are you > > > against education > > > and free speech or something? > > > > > > Adam. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 4:14 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > > > > > > > > > > I really get tired of that libertarian crap. > > > > > > > > As for the Don King bs, well look at the number of people who > > > > grew up in the > > > > same circumstances, went through collage etc and now are > > > > making a decent > > > > living. The Don King bs is just thinly disguised racism is > > > > all. There are > > > > always other routes. > > > > > > > > I was not offering a solution in the first place. I was > > > > disputing you claim > > > > about not no one forcing these people to fight. My point is > > > > that there are > > > > other ways of coersion without reference to physical force. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > > EBStor.com > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 4:38 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your proposed solution? How is this different than > > > > > Don King offering > > > > > an inner-city boxer $200k to get his head beat on for 10 > > > > > rounds, risking > > > > > brain damage, and then Don King making $3M from the deal? > > > > > Sure is a lot of > > > > > crack-rocks to sell to make that kind of coin, and with your > > > > > logic, that > > > > > would be the fighter's only alternative given they've > > > > > probably had to deal > > > > > with deadbeat fathers, drug addicted mothers, poverty, and > > > > > gangs. We better > > > > > intervene with more laws and jail sentences - the problem > > > > > should go away > > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > Same logic as the drug war - let's not question the demand at > > > > > all, because > > > > > if we can rid ourselves of the suppliers everything will be > > > > > merry. Tell me > > > > > if my analogies are off base, and I'll try to come up with a > > > > > better one. > > > > > > > > > > Adam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:26 PM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bull shit. These guys were homeless, dead broke and mostly > > > > > > had very bad > > > > > > drinking problems. They were then offered to them what was a > > > > > > lot of money, > > > > > > and all the alcohol they could drink. Just because they did > > > > > > not have a gun > > > > > > held to their head doesn't mean they were not coerced into > > > > > > it. There are > > > > > > more way to force someone to do stuff other than by > > > violence or by > > > > > > threatening violence. Look beyond your own butt for once. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:08 PM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh get off your high horse, they didn't force > > anyone to fight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:27 AM > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only 3 years in prison? Well hopefully they be in > > the right > > > > > > > > section - where > > > > > > > > they can play b**** to some of the more violent > > inhabitants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What they did is sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:46 AM > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > > Subject: Bumfights > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I25232BE1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They made $6 million at this... dang... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
