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The Bible itself is part of the handed-down tradition of Christians. Not
all who have departed this life have done so by way of the grave, either,
according to the Bible, so there must be at least some, if you use the Bible
as your standard, not in this life who are not among the dead.
JoAnn
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Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 14:18:35 -0400
From: Lewis Sellers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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At 09:32 AM 10/6/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>would this print on 500 printers at one time??
Generally no. Like you said elsewhere, it's probably someone having some
fun... but my spidey-sense, er virii-sense tingles a bit here. I'd do a bit
of virii scanning first, and check the logs of the print server to see
where the print requests came from (assuming it logs). It's hard to say
otherwise.
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Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 14:39:39 -0400
From: Lewis Sellers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Any occult ColdFusion developers out there?
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>No, I'm saying the exact opposite. Necromancy works and it disturbs the
dead
>who are the ones your actually talking to (in most cases).
Actually, I never said *I* believed the dead were truly dead, only that
this was the way the Bible reads if done so without any
external interpretations or handed-down traditions. That is, that the dead
are as dead as anything else in this world that dies. That they know
nothing and are beyond communication. (This however -- as I noticed you
mentioned elsewhere -- does not mean that divine intervention can not
physically resurrect them. That is essentially a separate issue from
chatting up the dead.)
As to what I (or we) believe, that's a bit of long discussion. The details
of which are perhaps not suitable for the ears of some among.... Suffice it
to say that when I was young I was not afraid -- as Nietzsche put it -- to
"stare into the abyss". Without getting into the first Magick ritual I ever
performed, shortly thereafter I got into the habit of openly inviting the
dead to come and see through my eyes if they wanted. To feel flesh again
for a while. Mind you, even folks I know that are into... what you might
call "the really dark arts" tend to stop smirking when I tell them that.
(For as they remind me, assuming for a moment the supposition that the dead
live on, and that there are demons, then it is absolutely one of the most
dangerous things you can possibly do.) That's also the point at which most
"Christians" start trying to exorcise me. (I don't mind. I let them if they
want.) They don't quite appreciate the humor in it when I tell that "I am
Legion" either. :)
Anyway, after that, obviously I don't personally believe the dead are dead
either. (Although not for the reason most people do. I simply don't believe
in linear time (with all apologies to the Many-Worlds interpretation of
Quantum Theory) -- I don't believe there is a true distinction in
past/present/future. It's simply a dynamic morphology of a
higher-dimensional state of existence. Ie, it's impossible to truly die. Or
to paraphrase a certain physicist "everything happens all at once".)
>Again, I disagree. My people have been discussing these topics non-stop for
>literally thousands of years. The ancient Aramaic you mention is taught to
>just about every Jewish teenager who goes to a Yeshiva. Yes, there are some
>terms that are used poetically but there are others that mean exactly what
>they say.
I will not argue against that (strongly). If there is any one group of
people on the Earth who is most familiar with this subject it would be
yours. Mandatory :) study is of great benefit here. However, even with
records that physically are several thousand years old, there is always
more than one (valid) interpretation of what they actually mean. That's not
the fault of those doing the interpretations, simply that the records are
ambiguous for a few understandable reasons. I've occasionally thought that
there needs to be a color-coding system :) for all Religious documents to
indicate the general intent of each passage (strong wavy purple lines
running down the sides for pure psalm-like poetics, ... bold dark triple
lines to mean, "yes, damn it, we mean the donkey is actually talking",
etc...).
At any rate I did just spend a couple hours yesterday reading Numbers and
so on... which isn't such a bad way to occupy one's self on the Sabbath I
suppose.
>The part of Bamidbar (numbers) where God opened the mouth of the mule to
>speak to its master and the part in Berashis (genesis) where God has his
>angels stop by Avraham's tent on their way to destroy Sidom and Amora are
I remember those of course, and they are close, but... I'm hard pressed to
say what the names of the texts I was actually talking about were. At the
time I was observing the Sabbath in proper Jewish fashion (I've
experimented with most every religion briefly) and, and aside from a few
books on Jewish law and tradition was reading through the dead sea scroll
collections as I recall, which of course means it could be a variation on
almost anything, including "enhanced" versions or translations of parts of
Bamidbar etc....
>taken quite literally. If God can create reality I have no problem with him
>doing the little things like making an animal talk.
I have no problem with Him doing that either if He wants. As to whether He
actually did that or it's a misunderstood allegory of some kind is another
issue though. I'm not actually a Gnostic, but I do agree with their
analysis that parts of some of the books tend to be misinterpreted to be
literal when in fact that does not logically seem to be the original intent.
>We actually just passed the holiday of Simchas Torah, where we end the
>reading of the entire Torah for the year and start over again. I'd remove
>the semi-mandatory from your sentence above. :)
I almost did originally, to be truthful, but then thought that from a
practical stand-point that only applies to practicing orthodox Jews, not
those Jewish by bloodline inclusive. Well, over-thinking as usual I
suppose.... :-) Point taken.
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Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:59:13 -0800
From: "BethF in AK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: printer virii?
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i will pass on advice to network team
it was definitely one of the more interesting things i have seen at work
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> At 09:32 AM 10/6/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >would this print on 500 printers at one time??
>
> Generally no. Like you said elsewhere, it's probably someone having some
> fun... but my spidey-sense, er virii-sense tingles a bit here. I'd do a
bit
> of virii scanning first, and check the logs of the print server to see
> where the print requests came from (assuming it logs). It's hard to say
> otherwise.
>
> --min
>
>
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Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:50:31 -0400
From: Lewis Sellers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Any occult ColdFusion developers out there?
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At 12:45 AM 10/6/2002 -0400, you wrote:
Lewis,
'allo. I haven't had any coffee yet, but....
> I just re-read 28. In English of course. My Greek is insufficient for
the job.
Neither is mine. I read it in the original Hebrew or in an English
translation. In this case, I'm using The Living Nach (Early Prophets),
translation by Rabbi Yaakov Elman, Moznaim Publishing Corporation, New
York/Jerusalem, 1994. I will be providing the translation where it's
applicable.
I was for a while teaching myself Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew simply for the
reason I have little faith in the fidelity of most of the modern English
translations. I haven't had as much time as I'd like to follow up on that
goal of late.
There is no mention in the text of a familiar. How do we know she had a
familiar? You've got to stick with what's in the text.
I believe the proper word here is "Arrggg"? :) Hmm, Ok. I have a copy of
e-Sword (e-word.net) I just loaded up. It has a dozen or so translations as
well as comparison and commentary features. I don't generally like to read
from any of the electronic study programs (just my personal taste -- I like
paper better), but in cases like this they have their uses. The translation
I'd read before did mention she had a "familiar spirit"... but let me look
in more detail here.
Mind you, my knowledge of more recent (last few hundred years) Magick
practices is most likely leading me to misinterpret some of the conventions
of the ancient magic practices and terms.
..
Oh yes, much better. Some of the translations still use the term "familiar
spirit" which is confusing to me as they ... apparently intend here
something different then I would read it as. (To me a "familiar spirit"
would be... well, I assume you recall the incidences of casting out demons
into wild animals? If they are bound (magically) in such as way as they
serve you (or pretend they are anyway), answering questions or doing tasks
then that is what the phrase means to me.)
I see now. The "obe" word that is used to refer to a necromancer is
translated in the versions I have to everything but simply "Necromancer" or
"Speaker with the Dead" -- except for the Contemporary English Version.
I do remember reading about the meaning of the word now, long ago though it
was.
>More to that point, the way it is worded does not for me sufficiently
> indicate that Samuel was raised from the dead in the flesh, even from a
> temporary standpoint.
No -- she raised his spirit, not his flesh.
It says,
28:12: Then the woman saw Samuel and shrieked. She demanded of Saul, "Why
have you misled me -- you are Saul!"
You have a much better translation than I do. For example, I have two dozen
of them loaded, none saying "shrieked", but Strong's dictionary, etc quite
plainly say that is what zaw-ak' means.
[snip]
The words Samuel's apparition uses are very personal. The incident he
refers to, with his prophecy to Saul that the kingship would go to David,
was not public. It happened in private between Saul and Samuel. The whole
tone of this incident, the wording, the way it happens, makes me think that
it must be Samuel's voice from beyond the grave, or God speaking to Saul
through the guise of Samuel. (Yes, I've stopped doing G-d, Michael was
right, it's just a habit from my paper writing.)
I pretty much agree, though I am still... a little unsure how to read the
necromancer's "shriek" and sudden recognition of Saul. The most amusing
interpretation of course is she shrieked because it actually worked for a
change :) and it was not a trick on her part.
No -- there is no reference there to a familiar. She only describes him at
first, but then Saul speaks to him directly.
Perhaps. Looking at Strong's dictionary it can be read either way. Either
Saul was speaking through her directly (as apparently I read was the usual
custom of her kind) or he was speaking in the form of an apparition or some
similar manner. I lean to the first simply for it seems the most consistent
answer. As to what truly transpired there's just not enough information
there for me to say without using other sources to make inferences.
Yes, if I as a Jew believed in the concept of Fallen Angels. But I don't.
Not the Christian concept, at any rate. We don't believe in Satan (or
Angels, for that matter) acting independently or against God and therefore,
anything that Saul saw here would have to come from God. So I think what
we've got here is two divergent views of a Biblical passage simply because
our different religions have different ideas of what demons are, of what
the Satan is, of what Angels are.
I probably should have said this clearer before... as it sometimes leads to
misunderstandings. While it's true that once-upon-a-time I was a party-line
Baptist, that's been a very long time now. And though sometimes I may say
I'm something of a Gnostic (or Sufi) none of those are true either. I don't
belong an any organized Religion.
If anyone presses me on the issue (WatchTower folk at 6AM before my coffee
for instance) I usually just quote them a few lines I made up years ago:
You ask me "What is your Religion?"
I say, "Ask God what his religion is. That is mine. That is me."
..and leave them standing there confused. :) (It's a bit like a koan in
that it's short and has many layers of meaning to it.)
What I'm saying, more simply, is that I'm divorced from all organized
Religions. If I say that I believe a certain religious text means such and
such, it usually has little bearing on what I personally believe. (Or
that is, since I'm generally not invested in the outcome of the
interpretation it tends to make me less biased and willing to change my
views more rapidly.)
For a long time now I've held nothing personal against "Satan". I would say
he's my "friend" but the Christian's would give me odd stares if I did. I
would mean by that that he directly serves God's purpose in anything that
he does. I could easily write a chapter on this, but I'll refrain.
Sometimes when talking about it though I like to use the imagery of a
crucible... in purely Christian terms you might say that Satan was the fire
of the crucible that is used to burn away (or separate) the impure from the
pure. Divine alchemy.
Doesn't mean I'm going to be dropping to my knees and praying to Satan next
time we meet in the halls, but I might give him a pat on the back: "Nice
job. Keep it up." :)
Basically I personally agree with you on that point and your interpretation
of the incident as a whole.
If you believe that Israel's fate hinged on Saul alone. While it's true
that a leader's resolve may affect the outcome of a battle, it doesn't
alone determine the outcome. But the point isn't a battle. The point is
that Saul went to someone for a prophecy, that person gave him the
prophecy, and it seemed to have been a true prophecy. The language in the
text itself does not point to it being a demon or anything else. A familiar
is not even mentioned.
It did seem that Saul/God was... disappointed. The tone is essentially
"fatally" disappointed in fact. As if Saul /God had resigned himself to
this outcome long ago. As if he was sorry to have to read the judgement
aloud, but what was done was done.
I understand the reasoning here, but the text again does not seem to
support this. He tried to consult God before he went to the Witch of Endor,
and God refused to answer him:
28:5: When Saul saw the Philistine camp, he became fearful; he became very
frightened.
6: He inquired of God, but God did not answer him, either by dreams, or by
Urim, or by prophets.
His breaking faith with God was in his not fulfilling God's commandment to
punish the Amalekites, and this whole battle was the result. He had a
chance to do Teshuva (repentance) -- indeed, he could have done so at any
time, and perhaps he would not have lost his life. But he would have lost
his kingship. This was ordained from the moment he refused to kill the
Amalekites. This act of necromancy was an act of desparation and of fear.
He did not want to give up his kingship and again become Saul the regular
Jew.
One does wonder here of course about free will, about far along a path one
can go before Fate... before there is no turning back as far as God is
concerned.
I have a problem with deconstructionsim where it conflicts with the obvious
intent of the text (especially the Bible) -- at least the way you describe
it. Yes, different generations will see new things or understand the text
slightly differently, but the understanding still has to come from what we
know -- the words of the text. And yes, I know that you're going to say
that we can't really know the meaning of ancient languages. But my people
have made a study of this language for over 3,000 years, and I daresay that
the Hebrew of the Torah is one of those languages that defy the normal
muddle that time makes of most texts.
I think most people have problems with deconstructionism in general, but
it's hard to take any higher level English courses without running into it.
(I was amused a few years ago with what was supposed to be Babylon 5's
final episode "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars" where some scholars try
to deconstruct the history of everything that had come before and thereby
minimalize the parts of those in it.)
Hebrew (along side Greek) I believe would qualify as one of the most...
documented languages over a period of time that's still in use. There comes
a point were some of us though can not stand the imperfection and ambiguity
of the OT/Tenach and have to restrain a general desire lay it aside and
start again from whole cloth. I suppose a great deal of that though lies in
the imperfections of the translations, not the original text (though it has
many failings as well).
> Speaking of Noah, I leave you with a question that I have occasionally
> wondered about... Were Dinosaurs clean or unclean? ;-)
Depends. Did they chew their cud and have split hooves? If the answer to
both questions is yes, they'd be kosher. But that's if you believe they
existed exactly as we've reconstructed them (and exactly when ...)
Well, for Noah's sake, if they were around, I'd be hoping they were unclean
simply for the fact that having to deal with seven Tyrannosaurs Rex at once
would be a bit of challenge I'd think. :)
Judith (who loves these great Biblical discussions ...)
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Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:59:04 -0400
From: "Vinny DiDonato \(si.rr\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: printer virii?
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We had a similar problem, and our network dudes think it has something
to do with the recent BugBear virus that has been passing itself around.
Our Novell networked printers would spew out one or two lines of what
looked like WingDings randomly.
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i will pass on advice to network team
it was definitely one of the more interesting things i have seen at work
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> At 09:32 AM 10/6/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >would this print on 500 printers at one time??
>
> Generally no. Like you said elsewhere, it's probably someone having
> some fun... but my spidey-sense, er virii-sense tingles a bit here.
> I'd do a
bit
> of virii scanning first, and check the logs of the print server to see
> where the print requests came from (assuming it logs). It's hard to
> say otherwise.
>
> --min
>
>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>At 09:32 AM 10/6/2002 -0800, you wrote:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>would this print on 500 printers at one =
time??</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Generally no. Like you said elsewhere, it's probably =
someone having some </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>fun... but my spidey-sense, er virii-sense tingles a =
bit here. I'd do a bit </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of virii scanning first, and check the logs of the =
print server to see </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>where the print requests came from (assuming it =
logs). It's hard to say </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 14:39:39 -0400</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Lewis Sellers =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>No, I'm saying the exact opposite. Necromancy =
works and it disturbs the dead</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>who are the ones your actually talking to (in =
most cases).</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Actually, I never said *I* believed the dead were =
truly dead, only that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>this was the way the Bible reads if done so without =
any </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>external interpretations or handed-down =
traditions. That is, that the dead </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>are as dead as anything else in this world that =
dies. That they know </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>nothing and are beyond communication. (This however =
-- as I noticed you </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>mentioned elsewhere -- does not mean that divine =
intervention can not </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>physically resurrect them. That is essentially a =
separate issue from </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>chatting up the dead.)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>As to what I (or we) believe, that's a bit of long =
discussion. The details </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of which are perhaps not suitable for the ears of =
some among.... Suffice it </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to say that when I was young I was not afraid -- as =
Nietzsche put it -- to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>"stare into the abyss". Without getting =
into the first Magick ritual I ever </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>performed, shortly thereafter I got into the habit =
of openly inviting the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>dead to come and see through my eyes if they wanted. =
To feel flesh again </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>for a while. Mind you, even folks I know that are =
into... what you might </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>call "the really dark arts" tend to stop =
smirking when I tell them that. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(For as they remind me, assuming for a moment the =
supposition that the dead </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>live on, and that there are demons, then it is =
absolutely one of the most </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>dangerous things you can possibly do.) That's also =
the point at which most </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>"Christians" start trying to exorcise me. =
(I don't mind. I let them if they </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>want.) They don't quite appreciate the humor in it =
when I tell that "I am </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Legion" either. :)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Anyway, after that, obviously I don't personally =
believe the dead are dead </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>either. (Although not for the reason most people do. =
I simply don't believe </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>in linear time (with all apologies to the =
Many-Worlds interpretation of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Quantum Theory) -- I don't believe there is a true =
distinction in </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>past/present/future. It's simply a dynamic =
morphology of a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>higher-dimensional state of existence. Ie, it's =
impossible to truly die. Or </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to paraphrase a certain physicist "everything =
happens all at once".)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>Again, I disagree. My people have been discussing =
these topics non-stop for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>literally thousands of years. The ancient =
Aramaic you mention is taught to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>just about every Jewish teenager who goes to a =
Yeshiva. Yes, there are some</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>terms that are used poetically but there are =
others that mean exactly what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>they say.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I will not argue against that (strongly). If there is =
any one group of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>people on the Earth who is most familiar with this =
subject it would be </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>yours. Mandatory :) study is of great benefit here. =
However, even with </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>records that physically are several thousand years =
old, there is always </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>more than one (valid) interpretation of what they =
actually mean. That's not </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the fault of those doing the interpretations, simply =
that the records are </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ambiguous for a few understandable reasons. I've =
occasionally thought that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>there needs to be a color-coding system :) for all =
Religious documents to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>indicate the general intent of each passage (strong =
wavy purple lines </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>running down the sides for pure psalm-like poetics, =
... bold dark triple </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>lines to mean, "yes, damn it, we mean the =
donkey is actually talking", etc...).</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>At any rate I did just spend a couple hours yesterday =
reading Numbers and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>so on... which isn't such a bad way to occupy one's =
self on the Sabbath I </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>suppose.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>The part of Bamidbar (numbers) where God opened =
the mouth of the mule to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>speak to its master and the part in Berashis =
(genesis) where God has his</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>angels stop by Avraham's tent on their way to =
destroy Sidom and Amora are</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I remember those of course, and they are close, =
but... I'm hard pressed to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>say what the names of the texts I was actually =
talking about were. At the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>time I was observing the Sabbath in proper Jewish =
fashion (I've </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>experimented with most every religion briefly) and, =
and aside from a few </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>books on Jewish law and tradition was reading =
through the dead sea scroll </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>collections as I recall, which of course means it =
could be a variation on </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>almost anything, including "enhanced" =
versions or translations of parts of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bamidbar etc....</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>taken quite literally. If God can create reality =
I have no problem with him</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>doing the little things like making an animal =
talk.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have no problem with Him doing that either if He =
wants. As to whether He </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>actually did that or it's a misunderstood allegory =
of some kind is another </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>issue though. I'm not actually a Gnostic, but I do =
agree with their </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>analysis that parts of some of the books tend to be =
misinterpreted to be </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>literal when in fact that does not logically seem to =
be the original intent.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>We actually just passed the holiday of Simchas =
Torah, where we end the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>reading of the entire Torah for the year and =
start over again. I'd remove</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>the semi-mandatory from your sentence above. =
:)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I almost did originally, to be truthful, but then =
thought that from a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>practical stand-point that only applies to =
practicing orthodox Jews, not </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>those Jewish by bloodline inclusive. Well, =
over-thinking as usual I </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>suppose.... :-) Point taken.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--min</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:59:13 -0800</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: "BethF in AK" =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: printer virii?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>i will pass on advice to network team</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>it was definitely one of the more interesting things =
i have seen at work</FONT>
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<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: "Lewis Sellers" =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: "CF-Community" =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:18 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: printer virii?</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> At 09:32 AM 10/6/2002 -0800, you wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >would this print on 500 printers at one =
time??</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Generally no. Like you said elsewhere, it's =
probably someone having some</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> fun... but my spidey-sense, er virii-sense =
tingles a bit here. I'd do a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>bit</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> of virii scanning first, and check the logs of =
the print server to see</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> where the print requests came from (assuming it =
logs). It's hard to say</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> otherwise.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> --min</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:50:31 -0400</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Lewis Sellers =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: Any occult ColdFusion developers out =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>At 12:45 AM 10/6/2002 -0400, you wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lewis,</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>'allo. I haven't had any coffee yet, but....</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> > I just re-read 28. In English of course. =
My Greek is insufficient for </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the job.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Neither is mine. I read it in the original Hebrew or =
in an English </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>translation. In this case, I'm using The Living Nach =
(Early Prophets), </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>translation by Rabbi Yaakov Elman, Moznaim =
Publishing Corporation, New </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>York/Jerusalem, 1994. I will be providing the =
translation where it's </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>applicable.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I was for a while teaching myself Aramaic, Greek and =
Hebrew simply for the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>reason I have little faith in the fidelity of most =
of the modern English </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>translations. I haven't had as much time as I'd like =
to follow up on that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>goal of late.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>There is no mention in the text of a familiar. How do =
we know she had a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>familiar? You've got to stick with what's in the =
text.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I believe the proper word here is "Arrggg"? =
:) Hmm, Ok. I have a copy of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>e-Sword (e-word.net) I just loaded up. It has a =
dozen or so translations as </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>well as comparison and commentary features. I don't =
generally like to read </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>from any of the electronic study programs (just my =
personal taste -- I like </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>paper better), but in cases like this they have =
their uses. The translation </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'd read before did mention she had a "familiar =
spirit"... but let me look </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>in more detail here.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Mind you, my knowledge of more recent (last few =
hundred years) Magick </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>practices is most likely leading me to misinterpret =
some of the conventions </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of the ancient magic practices and terms.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>..</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Oh yes, much better. Some of the translations still =
use the term "familiar </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>spirit" which is confusing to me as they ... =
apparently intend here </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>something different then I would read it as. (To me =
a "familiar spirit" </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>would be... well, I assume you recall the incidences =
of casting out demons </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>into wild animals? If they are bound (magically) in =
such as way as they </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>serve you (or pretend they are anyway), answering =
questions or doing tasks </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>then that is what the phrase means to me.)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I see now. The "obe" word that is used to =
refer to a necromancer is </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>translated in the versions I have to everything but =
simply "Necromancer" or </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>"Speaker with the Dead" -- except for the =
Contemporary English Version.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I do remember reading about the meaning of the word =
now, long ago though it </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>was.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> >More to that point, the way it is worded =
does not for me sufficiently</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> > indicate that Samuel was raised from the =
dead in the flesh, even from a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> > temporary standpoint.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>No -- she raised his spirit, not his flesh.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It says,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>28:12: Then the woman saw Samuel and shrieked. She =
demanded of Saul, "Why </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>have you misled me -- you are Saul!"</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You have a much better translation than I do. For =
example, I have two dozen </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of them loaded, none saying "shrieked", =
but Strong's dictionary, etc quite </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>plainly say that is what zaw-ak' means.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>[snip]</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The words Samuel's apparition uses are very personal. =
The incident he </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>refers to, with his prophecy to Saul that the =
kingship would go to David, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>was not public. It happened in private between Saul =
and Samuel. The whole </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>tone of this incident, the wording, the way it =
happens, makes me think that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>it must be Samuel's voice from beyond the grave, or =
God speaking to Saul </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>through the guise of Samuel. (Yes, I've stopped =
doing G-d, Michael was </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>right, it's just a habit from my paper =
writing.)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I pretty much agree, though I am still... a little =
unsure how to read the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>necromancer's "shriek" and sudden =
recognition of Saul. The most amusing </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>interpretation of course is she shrieked because it =
actually worked for a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>change :) and it was not a trick on her part.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>No -- there is no reference there to a familiar. She =
only describes him at </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>first, but then Saul speaks to him directly.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Perhaps. Looking at Strong's dictionary it can be =
read either way. Either </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Saul was speaking through her directly (as =
apparently I read was the usual </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>custom of her kind) or he was speaking in the form =
of an apparition or some </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>similar manner. I lean to the first simply for it =
seems the most consistent </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>answer. As to what truly transpired there's just not =
enough information </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>there for me to say without using other sources to =
make inferences.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yes, if I as a Jew believed in the concept of Fallen =
Angels. But I don't. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Not the Christian concept, at any rate. We don't =
believe in Satan (or </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Angels, for that matter) acting independently or =
against God and therefore, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>anything that Saul saw here would have to come from =
God. So I think what </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>we've got here is two divergent views of a Biblical =
passage simply because </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>our different religions have different ideas of what =
demons are, of what </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the Satan is, of what Angels are.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I probably should have said this clearer before... as =
it sometimes leads to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>misunderstandings. While it's true that =
once-upon-a-time I was a party-line </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Baptist, that's been a very long time now. And =
though sometimes I may say </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm something of a Gnostic (or Sufi) none of those =
are true either. I don't </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>belong an any organized Religion.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If anyone presses me on the issue (WatchTower folk at =
6AM before my coffee </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>for instance) I usually just quote them a few lines =
I made up years ago:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You ask me "What is your Religion?"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I say, "Ask God what his religion is. That is =
mine. That is me."</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>..and leave them standing there confused. :) (It's a =
bit like a koan in </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>that it's short and has many layers of meaning to =
it.)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What I'm saying, more simply, is that I'm divorced =
from all organized </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Religions. If I say that I believe a certain =
religious text means such and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>such, it usually has little bearing on =
what I personally believe. (Or </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>that is, since I'm generally not invested in the =
outcome of the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>interpretation it tends to make me less biased and =
willing to change my </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>views more rapidly.)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For a long time now I've held nothing personal =
against "Satan". I would say </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>he's my "friend" but the Christian's would =
give me odd stares if I did. I </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>would mean by that that he directly serves God's =
purpose in anything that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>he does. I could easily write a chapter on this, but =
I'll refrain. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sometimes when talking about it though I like to use =
the imagery of a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>crucible... in purely Christian terms you might say =
that Satan was the fire </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of the crucible that is used to burn away (or =
separate) the impure from the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>pure. Divine alchemy.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Doesn't mean I'm going to be dropping to my knees and =
praying to Satan next </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>time we meet in the halls, but I might give him a =
pat on the back: "Nice </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>job. Keep it up." :)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Basically I personally agree with you on that point =
and your interpretation </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of the incident as a whole.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If you believe that Israel's fate hinged on Saul =
alone. While it's true </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>that a leader's resolve may affect the outcome of a =
battle, it doesn't </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>alone determine the outcome. But the point isn't a =
battle. The point is </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>that Saul went to someone for a prophecy, that =
person gave him the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>prophecy, and it seemed to have been a true =
prophecy. The language in the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>text itself does not point to it being a demon or =
anything else. A familiar </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>is not even mentioned.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It did seem that Saul/God was... disappointed. The =
tone is essentially </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>"fatally" disappointed in fact. As if Saul =
/God had resigned himself to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>this outcome long ago. As if he was sorry to have to =
read the judgement </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>aloud, but what was done was done.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I understand the reasoning here, but the text again =
does not seem to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>support this. He tried to consult God before he went =
to the Witch of Endor, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and God refused to answer him:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>28:5: When Saul saw the Philistine camp, he became =
fearful; he became very </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>frightened.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>6: He inquired of God, but God did not answer him, =
either by dreams, or by </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Urim, or by prophets.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>His breaking faith with God was in his not fulfilling =
God's commandment to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>punish the Amalekites, and this whole battle was the =
result. He had a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>chance to do Teshuva (repentance) -- indeed, he =
could have done so at any </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>time, and perhaps he would not have lost his life. =
But he would have lost </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>his kingship. This was ordained from the moment he =
refused to kill the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Amalekites. This act of necromancy was an act of =
desparation and of fear. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>He did not want to give up his kingship and again =
become Saul the regular Jew.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>One does wonder here of course about free will, about =
far along a path one </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>can go before Fate... before there is no turning =
back as far as God is </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>concerned.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have a problem with deconstructionsim where it =
conflicts with the obvious </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>intent of the text (especially the Bible) -- at =
least the way you describe </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>it. Yes, different generations will see new things =
or understand the text </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>slightly differently, but the understanding still =
has to come from what we </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>know -- the words of the text. And yes, I know that =
you're going to say </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>that we can't really know the meaning of ancient =
languages. But my people </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>have made a study of this language for over 3,000 =
years, and I daresay that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the Hebrew of the Torah is one of those languages =
that defy the normal </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>muddle that time makes of most texts.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I think most people have problems with =
deconstructionism in general, but </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>it's hard to take any higher level English courses =
without running into it. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(I was amused a few years ago with what was supposed =
to be Babylon 5's </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>final episode "The Deconstruction of Falling =
Stars" where some scholars try </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to deconstruct the history of everything that had =
come before and thereby </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>minimalize the parts of those in it.)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hebrew (along side Greek) I believe would qualify as =
one of the most... </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>documented languages over a period of time that's =
still in use. There comes </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>a point were some of us though can not stand the =
imperfection and ambiguity </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of the OT/Tenach and have to restrain a general =
desire lay it aside and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>start again from whole cloth. I suppose a great deal =
of that though lies in </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the imperfections of the translations, not the =
original text (though it has </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>many failings as well).</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> > Speaking of Noah, I leave you with a =
question that I have occasionally</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> > wondered about... Were Dinosaurs clean or =
unclean? ;-)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Depends. Did they chew their cud and have split =
hooves? If the answer to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>both questions is yes, they'd be kosher. But that's =
if you believe they </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>existed exactly as we've reconstructed them (and =
exactly when ...)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Well, for Noah's sake, if they were around, I'd be =
hoping they were unclean </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>simply for the fact that having to deal with seven =
Tyrannosaurs Rex at once </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>would be a bit of challenge I'd think. :)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Judith (who loves these great Biblical discussions =
...)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--min, who still hasn't had any coffee</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:59:04 -0400</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: "Vinny DiDonato \(si.rr\)" =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: printer virii?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>We had a similar problem, and our network dudes think =
it has something</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to do with the recent BugBear virus that has been =
passing itself around.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Our Novell networked printers would spew out one or =
two lines of what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>looked like WingDings randomly.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-V</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: BethF in AK [<A =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 3:59 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: CF-Community</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: printer virii?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>i will pass on advice to network team</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>it was definitely one of the more interesting things =
i have seen at work</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: "Lewis Sellers" =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:18 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: printer virii?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> At 09:32 AM 10/6/2002 -0800, you wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >would this print on 500 printers at one =
time??</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Generally no. Like you said elsewhere, it's =
probably someone having </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> some fun... but my spidey-sense, er virii-sense =
tingles a bit here. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I'd do a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>bit</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> of virii scanning first, and check the logs of =
the print server to see</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> where the print requests came from (assuming it =
logs). It's hard to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> say otherwise.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> --min</FONT>
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