Uhm, as Rosanne Rosanadana says "Nevermind!"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe@;macromedia.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:31 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: My last CF site?
>
>
> De ja vu?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:wayne@;welshnet.co.uk]
> > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:02 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: My last CF site?
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe@;macromedia.com]
> > > Sent: 04 November 2002 21:34
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: My last CF site?
> > >
> > >
> > > It sounds like what you were saying is that lower-cost
> options have
> > > become more attractive to you in a smaller-scale setting, and you
> > > don't feel like we're addressing that shift, but instead
> developing
> > > more support for enterprise uses of CF.
> > >
> > > Did I get the gist right?
> > >
> > > -Vern
> >
> > Pretty much, I suppose you could say that CF has lost it's
> > traditional advantages of fast dev time, community support
> > etc. and up against a free product it's a no brainer. PHPs
> > major drawback was the lack of a good editor, there seem to
> > be a few OK ones about now though (although nothing to
> > compare with CF Studio), ironically DWMX seems to be as good
> > as it gets for PHP at the moment.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:wayne@;welshnet.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:55 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: My last CF site?
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe@;macromedia.com]
> > > > Hey Wayne,
> > > >
> > > > We dropped the price of CFMX Pro from CF 5 Pro. Enterprise &
> > > > subscription did go up by $4, but I doubt you're
> > referring to that.
> > > >
> > > > We certainly are trying to bolster the enterprise market
> > by offering
> > > > CFMX on J2EE, but that's not really a move away from
> > anything, it's
> > > > adding to.
> > > >
> > > > Did I missunderstand, or can you elaborate on your
> > perception a bit?
> > >
> > > Well the first part of my post is fairly simple, I tend
> to work as a
> > > contract developer for various design houses in my area, they no
> > > longer use CF as they are moving to PHP - if I want the
> work I have
> > > to follow. There are still two CF shops around here but they
> > > concentrate on the "big sites" and have development teams
> of 10 or
> > > more people.
> > >
> > > The other type of work I do are sites for smaller companies, for
> > > these I do everything from initial design to search engine
> > > submission. The usual budget is 2-5k for a fairly straightforward
> > > dynamic site. Now it doesn't matter to me how brilliant
> web services
> > > or flash integration etc. are, my customers don't need it
> and they
> > > certainly can't afford it.
> > >
> > > The fact is I can offer them more for the same money by
> using PHP,
> > > it doesn't take any longer to code once you are used to
> it and there
> > > is a far wider selection of excellent quality free code
> out there I
> > > can use compared to CF.
> > >
> > > Hosting is another issue, I can get a dedicated server for £35 a
> > > month set up with Linux/Apache/MySql/PHP, to use CF I have to
> > > upgrade the server and spend a not inconsiderable amount on
> > > software. No contest.
> > >
> > > I am sad about it, I was converted to CF by Mr Forte himself at a
> > > conference when version 3 came out, I have done dozens of
> sites in
> > > CF but I find it harder and harder to justify using it - even to
> > > myself.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:wayne@;welshnet.co.uk]
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:58 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: My last CF site?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I fear that I may have coded my last CF site, all the work in my
> > > > area seems to be moving towards PHP - and much as I love
> > CF I have
> > > > to pay the bills. The other problem is that MM seem to be
> > moving CF
> > > > towards the expensive enterprise sites rather than the small
> > > > companies that are my usual customers, even the faster
> > development
> > > > time/cost for CF argument no longer really applies as you
> > can code
> > > > (or should that read
> > > > Drag'n'Drop) PHP as quickly as CF in DWMX.
> > > >
> > > > On the bright side PHP is nothing like as bad as I
> > imagined it would
> > > > be, I particularly like using the Object oriented stuff to reuse
> > > > code.
> > > >
> > > > But the important thing is - will I have to stop reading the CF
> > > > Community list?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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