I am interested in the whole topic. I get email like this a lot... and short of a whole fundraising drive I don't have time for I don't have a solution. I mean, when the question is something like "if I have another child will it die too", I really hate to send back gibberish. I agree though, French to English seems to be better than English to French. The really strange stuff happened on the translation to French and not on the translation back to English. On the whole I find the available services mainly get enough across to tell whether the content of the site is or is not somethng that would be useful.
These are the translations I look at as I can evaluate them, but what I really need is English to Spanish and Portugese, maybe Dutch. Maybe the issue is that the developers in the machine translation area are English speakers? Anyway, yes, please share any stories. Any glimmer of what to do or not do would help. What I would like to do is set up several language versions of the site, that's one issue, and two, I'd like to be able to send sensible replies to emails like this one. Come to think of it I could have stock replies as they tend to fall into a couple of broad categories, this being one of them. And then there is a support forum where a LOT of information gets posted, that is a whole other ball of wax. If you plug the site into altavista or google it ignores the cgi files; haven't tried sending them individually yet. Dana On Sat, 31 May 2003 08:10:20 -0700, William H. Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Systran is what Alta Vista uses to do their translations at the babelfish > site. > > FWIW: you might want to just go ahead and use the babelfish or google > sites > if these translations are not going to be posted to a site as web pages > and > whatnot. The company I work for is French owned and I have a lot of > collegues that will discuss a problem to death in French and then send me > a > request to change something in one line of english. most of the time the > discussions are included in the e-mail but as I don't speak French (yet -- > > > I'm starting to pick it up, though, mwahahahahahahaaaa) I have to > translate > them to get the gist (jist?) The babelfish site seems to do okay with > French > to English > > I have other stories about translation (web site content,etc) regarding a > specific vendor if you're interest in who *not* to go with... > > will > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:44 AM > Subject: Re: automated translation, argh.... > > >> just to beat this dead horse a little further -- I just did a search in > the >> HoF archives for any discussions on this before I joined these lists, >> and >> the one additional mention, http://www.systranbox.com/systran/box, > produces >> the same result. (Maybe this is where Google gets its technology?) > Anyway, >> "to die" is still translated as "matrix" for some bizarre reason, and > "say" >> as "word" -- Grumble. I may have to start a fund raising drive just for >> this. I am pretty sure the email I was answering was English out of one >> of >> these services... meaning my answer probably looks a lot like that to >> her. >> Unless the translation to Spanish is a lot better than the translation >> to >> French. >> >> Dana >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2003 20:16:12 -0600, Dana Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > I believe this has come up several times on cf-talk, and the consensus > is >> > always a that a human translator is best. While I do agree with this I > do >> > not have a budget for translation at the moment, nor do I have any >> truly >> > bilingual volunteers. Given enough time I can probably handle French >> > myself but most of our email seems to come from Latin America. The >> > current plan is to set up a link to Google's language tools, but I am >> > really not happy with it. AltaVista's tools seem no better. Does >> anyone >> > on this list know of a better tool out there? >> > >> > Dana >> > >> > PS - to demonstrate the scope of the problem, I am pasting below the > text >> > of an actual email, translated on Google. >> > >> > First of all, I am very sorry about your baby. Sometimes these >> children >> > > matrix despite everything what can be made for them, and we do not > know >> > why. > > the cause of the syndrome of prune belly is currently not >> very >> > clear. The majority of word of doctors > it are not genetic. We > however >> > know the families which had more one > child of prune belly. However > the >> > severity of the disease considerably also changes; > thus a second > force >> > of child of prune belly spout out completely. There are others >> familes >> >> > which thus have only one child with the prune belly it can be another >> > factor. > > I myself AM not a medical professional; I am a person of >> > sequence which had a friend > with this disease. I ccing a couple of > the >> > professionals who can be able in measurement > amplify on my answers. >> I >> > would strongly suggest looking at all on > the Web site of >> > www.prunebelly.org, including the articles of newspaper, approximately >> > >> > us page and the forum of support, with which is very actively read by >> > patients >> >> prune belly and parents of the children with the prune belly which >> made >> > and not > to survive. I believe that it is the best collection of >> > information on the belly > the prune syndrome outside there. > > your >> > English seems very good but if the language is an exit I will test > >> > lucky find a Spanish speaker to help you. We want to translate the >> > website > into other languages, but we are all mostly the volunteers >> as >> > this proceeds rather > slowly. > > to answer your questions > specifically >> > -- I do not think that there are genetics > or any other test which >> can >> > be carried out before you became pregnant. The belly > the syndrome >> of >> > prune can be diagnosed in the uterus -- and treated --. the treatment > not >> > > success of guarantee but a diagnosis of syndrome of prune belly is >> not >> > a death > a sentence. Look at www.prunebelly.org/AboutUs.html. To >> put >> > abruptly, if > you have another child with the syndrome of prune belly > it >> > can only have very soft > symptoms or he can also die, and we do not > know >> > up to now what causes it or > why some kids are so much sicker than >> > others. If the lives of child it is > probably to need surgery, > probably >> > several consulting-rooms, but if it saw to be > approximately two it > will >> > probably have a happy and reasonably healthy life. It > seems >> extremely >> > not very probable that something which this baby with > matrix caused >> > you. > > hope of I which I answered your questions. Smell you please >> > free to write behind > so more occur with you. >> > >> > The original text: >> > >> > First of all, I am very sorry about your baby. Sometimes these >> children >> > do >> >> die in spite of all that can be done for them, and we do not know >> why. >> >> >> >> The cause of prune belly syndrome is unclear at this time. Most >> doctors >> > say >> >> it is not genetic. We do however know families who have had more than >> >> one >> >> prune belly child. However the severity of the illness varies widely >> >> also; >> >> so a second prune belly child might do quite well. There are other >> >> familes >> >> who have only one child with prune belly so it may be some other > factor. >> >> >> >> I myself am not a medical professional; I am a web person who had a >> >> friend >> >> with this illness. I am ccing a couple of professionals who may be >> able >> >> to >> >> amplify on my answers. I would strongly suggest looking at everything > on >> >> the www.prunebelly.org web site, including the journal articles, the >> >> About >> >> Us page and the support forum, which is very actively read by >> patients >> > with >> >> prune belly and parents of children with prune belly who did and did > not >> >> survive. I believe it is the best collection of information on prune >> >> belly >> >> syndrome out there. >> >> >> >> Your English seems very good but if language is an issue I will >> attempt >> >> to >> >> find a Spanish speaker to help you. We do want to translate the >> website >> >> into other languages, but we are mostly all volunteers so this >> proceeds >> >> rather >> >> slowly. >> >> >> >> To answer your questions specifically -- I do not think there is a >> >> genetic >> >> or other test that can be done before you become pregnant. Prune >> belly >> >> syndrome can be diagnosed -- and treated -- in utero. Treatment does > not >> >> guarantee success but a diagnosis of prune belly syndrome is not a > death >> >> sentence. Look at www.prunebelly.org/AboutUs.html. To put it bluntly, > if >> >> you have another child with prune belly syndrome it may have only >> very >> > mild >> >> symptoms or it may also die, and we do not as yet know what causes it > or >> >> why some kids are so much sicker than others. If the child lives it >> is >> >> likely to need surgery, possibly several surgeries, but if it lives >> to >> >> be >> >> about two it will probably have a happy and reasonably healthy life. >> It >> >> does seem extremely unlikely that something you did caused this baby >> to >> >> die. >> >> >> >> I hope that I have answered your questions. Please feel free to write >> >> back >> >> if more occur to you. >> > >> > >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
