Given Johnson's record on the Civil Rights bill and continuing Kennedy's
legislative agenda, I think its rather inappropriate for him to be on this
list.

Nixon on the other hand...

larry

At 01:16 PM 11/20/2003, you wrote:
>Jimmy C., Johnson,  and the current list of contenders...
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:52 AM
>   To: CF-Community
>   Subject: Re: Bush resume
>
>   If that bunch of presidents includes Ulysses S. Grant, Gerald Ford and
>   the one in Superman 2 who knelt before Zod like a bitch, I might just
>   agree with you :)
>
>   - Jim
>
>   Andy Ousterhout wrote:
>
>   >LOL.  And probably not too far off.
>   >
>   >I clearly don't think that Bush is a great president, he just happens
> to be
>   >the best of the bunch.
>   >  -----Original Message-----
>   >  From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:25 AM
>   >  To: CF-Community
>   >  Subject: Re: Bush resume
>   >
>   >
>   >  I think "thinking big" is a large part of Bush's popularity.  I don't
>   >  think he has a clue about how to manage the economy (or give the
>   >  impression of managing the economy), but there were a _lot_ of big, bold
>   >  "big picture" initiatives that were pushed through after the attacks.
>   >  War On Terrorism! (Swoosh!), Department of Homeland Defense! (Shazam!),
>   >  PATRIOT Act! (Kerpow!), Operation Enduring Freedom! (Kaboom!).  They
>   >  were impressive feats of bureaucratic manipulation, but the economic
>   >  policies seem wan and uncreative.
>   >
>   >  Here's a check for $300 - have fun.  I'm cutting taxes, sort of.  Oh,
>   >  uh, here's another check for $400, go get yourself something nice, ok?
>   >
>   >  It seems to me that the "Economy" as a whole is sort of rooted in
>   >  large-group psychology.  While I don't believe the president himself has
>   >  that much *actual* control over the economy, I think his and his
>   >  administration's attitude towards it can play into the general
>   >  perception of how things are going and make people more optimistic about
>   >  things.
>   >
>   >  - Jim
>   >
>   >  Andy Ousterhout wrote:
>   >
>   >  >And that is news to who?
>   >  >
>   >  >Presidents need to think big.  Short term fixes create a pendulum
>effect,
>   >long
>   >  >term changes have long term impacts.
>   >  >  -----Original Message-----
>   >  >  From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >  >  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:49 AM
>   >  >  To: CF-Community
>   >  >  Subject: Re: Bush resume
>   >  >
>   >  >
>   >  >  Nobel winners attack Bush economics
>   >  >
>   >  >  "Regardless of how one views the specifics of the Bush plan, there is
>   >wide
>   >  >agreement that its purpose is a permanent change in the tax structure
>and
>   >not
>   >  >the creation of jobs and growth in the near term," the economists said
>in a
>   >  >statement published by the Economic Policy Institute.
>   >  >
>   >  >
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2735269.stm>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2735269.stm
>   >  >
>   >  >  ----- Original Message -----
>   >  >  From: Andy Ousterhout
>   >  >  To: CF-Community
>   >  >  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:05 AM
>   >  >  Subject: RE: Bush resume
>   >  >
>   >  >  I guess all the economists are wrong too.  If it were not for that
>damn
>   >  >Bush:
>   >  >      1   All of the world's ills would be cured.
>   >  >      2.  All of the excesses of the 90's would have retroactively
>   >  >disappeared,
>   >  >      3.  All of those BAD business people who quickly realized that
>BUSH
>   >was
>   >  >  lax on businesses would not have been able to implement evil business
>   >  >  practices SO quickly that it appeared that they had been following
>them
>   >  >since
>   >  >  the 90's
>   >  >      4.  Business would be ignoring the lower cost of labor in other
>   >  >countries
>   >  >  and would have continued to hire people who provided diminishing
> value
>   >for
>   >  >the
>   >  >  love of country(sorry, God's out)
>   >  >      5.  All of those foreigners who think that we suck would not be
>   >risking
>   >  >  life and limb to sneak into OUR country voluntarily work for, god
>forbid,
>   >  >  below minimum wage, and send huge amounts of their paltry earnings
>back
>   >to
>   >  >  their highly advantaged family who stayed home to live a life of
>luxury.
>   >  >      6.  Yale's image would have remained untarnished
>   >  >
>   >  >  My bad.
>   >  >
>   >  >  -----Original Message-----
>   >  >  From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >  >  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:39 PM
>   >  >  To: CF-Community
>   >  >  Subject: Re: Bush resume
>   >  >
>   >  >    Actually the statement that the economy is in a turnaround, is more
>pie
>   >in
>   >  >  the
>   >  >    sky.  Jobs continue to be lost, prosecutions of those involved in
>   >business
>   >  >    fraud, and securities scams are still running at a less than
>   >enthusiastic
>   >  >  rate.
>   >  >    Our borders are still insecure.  Non-Mexican illegal immigrants are
>   >still
>   >  >    released into the streets after capture by the INS.  His energy and
>oil
>   >  >  patch
>   >  >    friends are still not being called to account for their mis-deeds.
>Our
>   >  >    reputation internationally has sunk to a historic low.  But I do
>have
>   >to
>   >  >  credit
>   >  >    him for this, he still has a fanatic following, and the big bucks
>   >  >
>   >  >
>   >
>   >
>
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