way to show progress? I believe it the real mess started in 1964.
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:48 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Bush resume
For the record, it was Eisenhower and Kennedy who got us involved in
Vietnam.
larry
At 02:14 PM 11/20/2003, you wrote:
>Vietnam.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:07 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Bush resume
>
> Given Johnson's record on the Civil Rights bill and continuing Kennedy's
> legislative agenda, I think its rather inappropriate for him to be on
this
> list.
>
> Nixon on the other hand...
>
> larry
>
> At 01:16 PM 11/20/2003, you wrote:
> >Jimmy C., Johnson, and the current list of contenders...
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:52 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Bush resume
> >
> > If that bunch of presidents includes Ulysses S. Grant, Gerald Ford
and
> > the one in Superman 2 who knelt before Zod like a bitch, I might
just
> > agree with you :)
> >
> > - Jim
> >
> > Andy Ousterhout wrote:
> >
> > >LOL. And probably not too far off.
> > >
> > >I clearly don't think that Bush is a great president, he just
happens
> > to be
> > >the best of the bunch.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:25 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Bush resume
> > >
> > >
> > > I think "thinking big" is a large part of Bush's popularity. I
> don't
> > > think he has a clue about how to manage the economy (or give the
> > > impression of managing the economy), but there were a _lot_ of
big,
>bold
> > > "big picture" initiatives that were pushed through after the
> attacks.
> > > War On Terrorism! (Swoosh!), Department of Homeland Defense!
>(Shazam!),
> > > PATRIOT Act! (Kerpow!), Operation Enduring Freedom! (Kaboom!).
They
> > > were impressive feats of bureaucratic manipulation, but the
economic
> > > policies seem wan and uncreative.
> > >
> > > Here's a check for $300 - have fun. I'm cutting taxes, sort
> of. Oh,
> > > uh, here's another check for $400, go get yourself something
nice,
>ok?
> > >
> > > It seems to me that the "Economy" as a whole is sort of rooted in
> > > large-group psychology. While I don't believe the president
himself
>has
> > > that much *actual* control over the economy, I think his and his
> > > administration's attitude towards it can play into the general
> > > perception of how things are going and make people more
optimistic
>about
> > > things.
> > >
> > > - Jim
> > >
> > > Andy Ousterhout wrote:
> > >
> > > >And that is news to who?
> > > >
> > > >Presidents need to think big. Short term fixes create a
pendulum
> >effect,
> > >long
> > > >term changes have long term impacts.
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:49 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Re: Bush resume
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nobel winners attack Bush economics
> > > >
> > > > "Regardless of how one views the specifics of the Bush plan,
> there
>is
> > >wide
> > > >agreement that its purpose is a permanent change in the tax
>structure
> >and
> > >not
> > > >the creation of jobs and growth in the near term," the
economists
>said
> >in a
> > > >statement published by the Economic Policy Institute.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
><http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2735269.stm>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/b
u
>siness/2735269.stm
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Andy Ousterhout
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:05 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: Bush resume
> > > >
> > > > I guess all the economists are wrong too. If it were not for
> that
> >damn
> > > >Bush:
> > > > 1 All of the world's ills would be cured.
> > > > 2. All of the excesses of the 90's would have
retroactively
> > > >disappeared,
> > > > 3. All of those BAD business people who quickly realized
> that
> >BUSH
> > >was
> > > > lax on businesses would not have been able to implement evil
>business
> > > > practices SO quickly that it appeared that they had been
> following
> >them
> > > >since
> > > > the 90's
> > > > 4. Business would be ignoring the lower cost of labor in
>other
> > > >countries
> > > > and would have continued to hire people who provided
diminishing
> > value
> > >for
> > > >the
> > > > love of country(sorry, God's out)
> > > > 5. All of those foreigners who think that we suck would
not
>be
> > >risking
> > > > life and limb to sneak into OUR country voluntarily work for,
god
> >forbid,
> > > > below minimum wage, and send huge amounts of their paltry
> earnings
> >back
> > >to
> > > > their highly advantaged family who stayed home to live a life
of
> >luxury.
> > > > 6. Yale's image would have remained untarnished
> > > >
> > > > My bad.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:39 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Re: Bush resume
> > > >
> > > > Actually the statement that the economy is in a turnaround,
is
>more
> >pie
> > >in
> > > > the
> > > > sky. Jobs continue to be lost, prosecutions of those
involved
>in
> > >business
> > > > fraud, and securities scams are still running at a less than
> > >enthusiastic
> > > > rate.
> > > > Our borders are still insecure. Non-Mexican illegal
immigrants
>are
> > >still
> > > > released into the streets after capture by the INS. His
energy
>and
> >oil
> > > > patch
> > > > friends are still not being called to account for their
>mis-deeds.
> >Our
> > > > reputation internationally has sunk to a historic low. But
> I do
> >have
> > >to
> > > > credit
> > > > him for this, he still has a fanatic following, and the big
>bucks
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >----------
> >[
>
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