----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Skinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Generational Math
> Google it, there are many, many such sites (yes it is actually kind of
> scary).
>
> --------------
> Ian Skinner
> Web Programmer
> BloodSource
> www.BloodSource.org
> Sacramento, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:17 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Generational Math
>
>
> Hm...a website devoted to kissing cousins....kinda spooky.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Skinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:05 PM
> Subject: RE: Generational Math
>
> > Just to stir the pot, 5th cousins are not incest by any measurement I've
> > ever heard of. You can actually legally marry your 1st cousin in the
US.
> > Interestingly, you can only do the ceremony in approximately 1/2 the
> states,
> > the rest requiring at lest a 2nd Cousin's separation or more. But since
a
> > marriage preformed in any state is legal in all states, does this really
> > matter?
> >
> >
> > http://www.cousincouples.com/index.shtml?./pages/states.htm
> <http://www.cousincouples.com/index.shtml?./pages/states.htm>
> > <http://www.cousincouples.com/index.shtml?./pages/states.htm>
> >
> > --------------
> > Ian Skinner
> > Web Programmer
> > BloodSource
> > www.BloodSource.org
> > Sacramento, CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:04 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Generational Math
> >
> >
> > I gotta tell ya...
> > My family has been in this area for a long time (South Carolina - Myrtle
> > Beach, Conway), and we have many kinships over the place. I haven't
lived
> > here all of my life, but my father was born and raised here. He knows
> many
> > more familial realtionships in the area than I do.
> >
> > Over the past 8 years, as I got out of the USMC and was in college, I
> would
> > occasionally run into my father when I was with a girl I was interested
> in.
> > They were usually local girls, from the area that my grandmother lived
> > because that's where my college is. My father would immediately start
the
> > girl asking what her name was, who she's related to, does she know this
> > person, etc. Invariably they would settle on some obscure person that
> they
> > both knew of but hadn't seen in 2.3 million years, and my father just
sure
> > that this girl was a fifth cousin or some crap like that.
> >
> > <sigh> Like we need incest in South Carolina. </sigh>
> >
> > - Matt Small
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ian Skinner
> > To: CF-Community
> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:44 PM
> > Subject: RE: Generational Math
> >
> > Depends on how you look at it. First of all, yes the farther you go
> back,
> > the more "cousin" loving you get. It doesn't take that far at really,
> > just
> > go back 2 or 3 centuries, you would get relatively small populations
> with
> > little geographical movement, you would most likely be marrying a
cousin
> > of
> > some sort. Now, once you get past the 2nd cousin level, it's really
not
> > that big a deal.
> >
> > If fact, that was the first purpose of genealogy, to make sure that
the
> > person one was marrying was not too closely related to oneself.
> >
> > The other way to look at it, is to do the math forward. Take a person
> who
> > lived 1500 years ago, and assume he had on average, 2 surviving
> > descendants
> > each generation (a fairly conservative number I believe) and you get
> > 562,949,953,421,312 descendants in the current generation. Obviously
> > considerably more then the number of people currently alive. It
> basically
> > means that anybody you marry now, must be a cousin of some level.
> > Especially if you stay within your own ethnic/geographical area
(reduces
> > the
> > number of choices considerably).
> >
> > So in reality, we all are engaged in cousin loving everyday.
> >
> > --------------
> > Ian Skinner
> > Web Programmer
> > BloodSource
> > www.BloodSource.org
> > Sacramento, CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:34 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Generational Math
> >
> > So there must have been a ton of interfamily breeding back in the day,
> > especially when you take into account populational bottlenecks due to
> > natural disasters and global epidemics. Wow. I never thought of it,
but
> > there must have been alot, I mean ALOT of cousin lovin going on.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:29 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Generational Math
> >
> > You are correct, if you go back far enough we are all related to one
> > another
> > one way or another. What will happen is that the farther back you go,
> you
> > will conceivable have that same ancestor appearing in two or more
lines.
> > A
> > simple example, that does happen. If you have a pair of second
cousins
> > who
> > marry, they would share a common set of great-grandparents. So
instead
> of
> > having 4 sets of great-grandparents (8 people) they would only have 3
> > distinct sets (6 people).
> >
> > What would happen is the percentage of this relationship sharing would
> > grow
> > the farther back you go.
> >
> > --------------
> > Ian Skinner
> > Web Programmer
> > BloodSource
> > www.BloodSource.org
> > Sacramento, CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:08 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Generational Math
> >
> > Okay doing family history research which by the way can be seen at
> > http://www.netconceptions.com <http://www.netconceptions.com>
> <http://www.netconceptions.com>
> > <http://www.netconceptions.com>
> > <http://www.netconceptions.com>
> > <http://www.netconceptions.com>
> > <http://www.netconceptions.com> , and stating
> > to see something odd. I know that the number of ancestors a person has
> for
> > a
> > particular generation doubles from the previous generation's number.
So
> at
> > the 4th generation back from me I have 8, and the 5th I have 16 and so
> on.
> > Which leads to this. You can tell the number of ancestors you have for
a
> > generation by taking 2 to the (generation number minus one) power.
> >
> > This is all fine and dandy, but after a certain point it becomes more
> and
> > more improbable that say after 49 generations which is about 1500
years
> I
> > would have 562,949,953,421,312 ancestors in that generation.
> >
> > So what gives. Is the math suspect? Is there an inbreeding curve? Even
> if
> > you account for like 50% cross-ancestral breeding, that still leaves a
> > huge
> > number of people anyone is descended from going back that far. This
must
> > take into account the number of people on earth for the whole
> generational
> > period in question.
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> > John
> > _____
> > _____
> > _____
> > _____
> >
> >
> >
> _____
>
>
>
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