discussed commonly. I was raised in an Irish catholic family. I went to
catholic school, and I still have a lot of problems with many of these
things. I wonder where the extra catholic books in the bible came from. I
wonder why the catholic church needed to co-opt pagan religions to gain
converts. I look at a lot of what the early Vatican did and wonder how that
mated up with what I read in the bible.
While I understand the idea of intercession, I also see the idols/false gods
argument. I have infect been told many many times that the virgin mother
was a virgin until death, that Jesus was her only son, and this was commonly
accepted, at least at St. Bernard's where I grew up. Monsignor Graham never
said any different.
I too wonder where the idea that men of god have to be celibate comes from.
Weren't some of the disciples married?
I don't think these things are offensive, I think it makes sense to question
things and not take them at face value. You question government edicts
correct? Why wouldn't you do the same with the church?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 2:45 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Comments on Catholic Church
Sure, just lob rocks over a wall and act like we should all be thanking
you. So sorry your messages are deeply offensive to me (and probably
half the people I know), I will try not to have an opinion in the future
and accept everything you have to say.
Larry earlier said we have some social responsibility to confront
backwards ideas and specious reasoning. I said it's almost never worth
the effort and this is exactly why.
M
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Braver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 1:24 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Comments on Catholic Church
You don't "buy the idea"?
Too bad for you.
Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular
are not at the top of my study list.
I have been told a lot of things over the years.
So has my wife.
Some of them at face value seemed plausible (e.g. idols).
Will Bowen posed some arguments I had never heard before.
Like I said, being open-minded, this made me question my
prior position.
You don't want to believe that, fine, be that way...
End of thread from my part.
-Ben
>Not so, I read your post carefully.
>
>Quite frankly I don't buy the idea you needed someone else's email to
>"question the veracity" of that message you posted.
>
>Again, most reasonable people would probably recognize this is all
>massively offensive without needing someone else to explain it to them.
>
>M
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Braver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 12:54 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re: Comments on Catholic Church
>
>
>You obviously did not read my post carefully. I'm surprised. /Ben
>
>>Ben -
>>
>>I don't need to know you or your wife to know the arguments she
>presents
>>are a rehash of a bunch of old school attacks launched against the
>>Catholic Church. They have been used as the justification of numerous
>>acts of violence and exclusion of Catholics both in the U.S. and
>abroad.
>>
>>If you want to throw around shame, shame on you for spreading that
>>garbage around in the first place. The ideas you relate are ignorant
>and
>>deeply offensive to most Catholics, and reasonable people could
>probably
>>figure all this out without great mental leaps.
>>
>>If she really can't see how wrong this stuff is (for that matter, if
>you
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