>> I don't mean to be attacking you
And I don't have to justify anything.
I don't believe in taking free labour. But I have for various reasons been
on the employed side of intern relationships. I have never thought of those
positions as productive positions. The last case was the most fulltime
position at 100 hours over 4 weeks. I told the guy he could work 10-2 for 4
weeks (as per program requirements for his school) and fill the remainder of
the time at his convenience. I gave him a desk, a computer, a place to to
come to work, and challenges (complete with portfolio at the end of the 4
weeks). and I lent my time, another guy lent his time, and we didn't make a
dime nor wanted to.
In another case, the kid was going to school and volunteered his time to the
company I was working for to get experience. I never asked for his help, but
offered to mentor and challenge in his parttime commitment to develop his
skills through volunteering. I think he benefitted, and when the opportunity
came around to make use of energies in a more productive sense, we added him
to the payroll.
Eric
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 3:15 PM
To: Eric Dawson
Subject: Re: Why work for free?
I don't mean to be attacking you, so I hope you didn't take it that way.
;)
Knowledge is a good thing, but it doesn't pay the rent.
All internships that I have delt with have been 40-hour a week-type of
jobs, typically for a 6-8 month time frame and typically included taking
time off from school. If you're only talking about 10 hours a week, I
suppose that may operate under different rules. 10 hours sounds like
a half day. :ha, ha:
Eric Dawson wrote:
>
> >> We aren't getting something for nothing here.
> I have made a personal commitment to anyone working for free in and around
> me, that I wll give them back in terms of my time and otherwise what they
> give to me. example if they give me 4 hours productive (gauged in my time
> not theirs), I give them that back. I try to keep them challenged and
> learning, with portfolio and contacts.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janty.com Development [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 8:49 AM
> To: CF-Jobs
> Subject: Re: Why work for free?
>
> My company works with the local colleges. We take in Comp-Sci students
and
> teach them web based programming using CF .. something they can't get in
> college. They spend about 10 hours a week working for us for free (plus
> college credit, where they can get it). As a result, I take 15 hours a
week
> out of my busy schedule to teach the interns the ropes. This gives them a
> good level of exposure to web programming that they couldn't get any other
> way.
>
> We aren't getting something for nothing here, though. Training these
> interns really does slow down the development of any projects we are
> working on, since we are using these projects as a good way to expose
these
> students to the full SDLC of web programming. We are pacing these
projects
> based upon the schedules of these 'newbies', as you all call them.
>
> Our company is giving these new CF developers a ton of experience that
they
> would not get any other way! When they reach a certain level of
experience,
> we try to hire the most successful(s) of the group. This truly does
provide
> a win/win situation for everyone. We get Jr. CF developers trained the
way
> we want them, and they get a job even before they finish school and
usually
> college credit.
>
> I would encourage other companies, especially those more advantaged than
> ours, to follow suit. It is truly a worthwhile investment. Even if you
get
> nothing out of it directly, you are doing a wonderful service to the
CF/web
> development community as a whole. Just, please, do it for them, and not
for
> yourselves ...
>
> Todd Ashworth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeffry Houser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Jobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 7:07 PM
> Subject: Why work for free?
>
> >
> > Quite frankly, I can't think of very few reasons to work for free,
> whether
> > you are a junior developer or a senior developer or someone completely
new
> to
> > Cold Fusion. Any company worth working for will be willing to hire
> someone
> > and train them. There are plenty of opportunities for those people that
> > aren't senior developers. I get contacted more about junior level
> developer
> > positions than I do about senior level developer positions.
> >
> > The thought that a business would try to do sucker some inexperienced
> > developer into doing work under the guise of 'good experience' just
> > sickens me, and doesn't make me want to work with that business. If you
> > want to do work to get your feet wet, I would suggest getting involved
in
> > your local CFUG, or looking up some non-profit organizations in your
area.
> >
> > There is an organization in Connecticut called CONNcept
> (www.conncept.com)
> > which is a networking group for musicians, radio DJ's, club owners,
etc..
> > I've done some work on the web site. Yes, it was free work, but we're
> > talking about an organization that runs entirely on volunteers. The
> > contacts I made (for both my music career and my programming career)
> > cannot be beat.
> >
> > However, if anyone wants to work for free. I'll be more than happy to
> > sub-contract work out to you. I'm still going to charge my clients $250
> > an hour, though. (<-- note the dripping sarcasm)
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Houser
> > AIM: Reboog711 | ICQ: 5246969 | Phone: 860-229-2781
>
>
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