Hi.

I mentioned I thought/concern I had about coordinate systems in CF as an aside 
a while back, and I didn't much response, so I'm writing it now as a standalone 
post.
When I look at the way geographic coordinate systems are implemented in CF, I 
keep getting the feeling that the associations (in a UML sense) don't make good 
sense.

What we have right now is that a variable has coordinates associated with it, 
and also has a grid_mapping (a definition of a geographic coordinate system) 
associated with it.  Here's a cheap ASCII picture of that.

[coordinate]2------>*[variable]*<------1[grid_mapping]
                                           *
                                           ^
                                           |
                                           |
                                          2
                                    [lon/lat]

I'm on purpose limiting myself for the sake of this discussion to the case of 2 
coordinates (X/Y, lon/lat, etc) for any given variable.  I know there can be 
more, but we are still fuzzy on Z, and other coordinates that might be present 
aren't geographic.  I have also shown the longitude and latitude auxiliary 
coordinates smashed together into a single element for compactness.  I hope 
it's not overly confusing.

Based on this model, the coordinates don't have a coordinate system except by 
relation through a variable.  As a result, the same coordinates could be 
associated with different geographic coordinate systems in different variables. 
 You could two different grid_mappings defined (UTM zone 8 and Polar 
Stereographic, for example) associate one with variable 1 and the other with 
variable 2, yet have the same coordinates associated with both variable 1 and 
variable 2.  Furthermore, the longitude and latitude are assumed to relate (via 
dimensionality) with the coordinates as defined by the grid_mapping, which 
could (again) be different for each variable.  This model seems more than a bit 
fragile and unnatural to me.

The thing is, coordinates are meaningless without the definition of the 
coordinate system they belong to.  Starting from scratch, the natural approach 
to this would be to associate coordinate systems with coordinates, which can 
then be associated with variables.  The diagram would be:

[grid_mapping]1----->*[(aux) coordinate]*------>*[variable]

Each coordinate would have a geographic coordinate system associated with it.  
A variable could have any number of (pairs of) coordinates associated with it.  
Longitude/latitude or other auxiliary coordinates would fit into this model in 
just the same way.

Written as CDL, what you would see is:

netcdf {
 dimensions:
   xt = 50;
   yt = 50;
 variables:
   float xt(xt=50);
     :grid_mapping = "TM";
     :units = "m";
   float yt(yt=50);
     :grid_mapping = "TM";
     :units = "m";
   float temperature(xt=50, yt=50);
     :coordinates = "lon lat xp yp";
     :units = "K";
   float lon(xt=50, yt=50);
     :units = "degrees_east";
     :grid_mapping = "LonLat";
   float lat(xt=50, yt=50);
     :units = "degrees_north";
     :grid_mapping = "LonLat";
   float xp(xt=50, yt=50);
     :units = "m";
     :grid_mapping = "PolarStereo";
   float yp(xt=50, yt=50);
     :coordinates = "xt yt";
     :units = "m";
     :grid_mapping = "PolarStereo";
   char LonLat;
     :grid_mapping_name = "latitude_longitude";
   char PolarStereo;
     :grid_mapping_name = "polar_stereographic";
   char TM;
     :grid_mapping_name = "transverse_mercator";
}

I left out the details of the grid_mapping variables for brevity.

So, having said all that, I'm curious to know if there is any particular reason 
why geographic coordinate systems are being done the way they are right now, 
and wondering if what I have described makes sense to anyone else.

Grace and peace,

Jim

Jim Biard
Research Scholar
Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites
Remote Sensing and Applications Division
National Climatic Data Center
151 Patton Ave, Asheville, NC 28801-5001

jim.bi...@noaa.gov
828-271-4900

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