Works for me. Cheers, Roy. ________________________________________ From: Ajay Krishnan - NOAA Affiliate [ajay.krish...@noaa.gov] Sent: 09 March 2015 19:43 To: John Graybeal Cc: Lowry, Roy K.; CF Metadata List Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Request for new standard-name: apparent_oxygen_utilization
Dear CF community, After consulting my colleagues at NODC (Hernan and Tim), we have agreed on the following definition as suggested by John Graybeal: Apparent Oxygen Utilization (AOU) is the difference between measured dissolved oxygen concentration in water, and the equilibrium saturation concentration of dissolved oxygen in water with the same physical and chemical properties. Reference: Broecker, W. S. and T. H. Peng (1982), Tracers in the Sea, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Palisades, N. Y. Thanks for being patient with us on this. Regards, Ajay On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:01 PM, John Graybeal <jbgrayb...@mindspring.com<mailto:jbgrayb...@mindspring.com>> wrote: As I Am Not A Scientist, may I suggest that the text that was lost in this latest round, "It is used to estimate the change in dissolved oxygen in a parcel of water due to biological and chemical processes at depth since it left the surface." is important, because it explains to the rest of us why the term is called Apparent Oxygen Utilization. Though this phrasing may be better: > It is used as an estimate of the change in dissolved oxygen in a parcel of > water since leaving the surface, due to biological and chemical processes at > depth. If Roy's phrasing is agreeable to Hernan, I suggest making the two phrases of his definition roughly parallel: > "Apparent Oxygen Utilization (AOU) is the difference between measured > dissolved oxygen concentration in water, and the equilibrium saturation > concentration of dissolved oxygen in water with the same physical and > chemical properties." Makes it easier to compare them. John On Mar 3, 2015, at 09:03, Lowry, Roy K. <r...@bodc.ac.uk<mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk>> wrote: > Hi again Hernan, > > I was taking T and S as being constant, not trying to be prescriptive about > computation algorithm. Next proposal (based on a Wikipedia quote from Garcia > et al 2006): > Apparent Oxygen Utilization (AOU) is the difference between the measured > dissolved oxygen concentration and its equilibrium saturation concentration > in water with the same physical and chemical properties. Reference: Broecker, > W. S. and T. H. Peng (1982), Tracers in the Sea, Lamont-Doherty Earth > Observatory, Palisades, N. Y. > Are you happier with that? > > Cheers, Roy. > > From: Hernan Garcia - NOAA Federal > [mailto:hernan.gar...@noaa.gov<mailto:hernan.gar...@noaa.gov>] > Sent: 03 March 2015 16:37 > To: Lowry, Roy K. > Cc: Ajay Krishnan - NOAA Affiliate; > alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk>; > cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>; Tim Boyer - NOAA > Federal > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Request for new standard-name: > apparent_oxygen_utilization > > Rigourously speaking, the O2 solubility in water involves an atmospheric > pressure term, a temperature, and salinity terms which are all variables (See > for example; Benson and Krause, 1984; Garcia and Gordon, 1992). I would > leave AOU at at the definition level and not how it should be computed. This > definition of AOU is a LOT more complicated than most folks realize; my 2 > cents. I will leave it to you all to decide. > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Lowry, Roy K. > <r...@bodc.ac.uk<mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk>> wrote: > Hi Hernan, > > Shouldn't you specifically mention that it's the oxygen solubility at > atmospheric pressure? I would also still like to keep the reference. > > That would take us to: > > Apparent Oxygen Utilization (AOU) is the difference between the oxygen > solubility at a pressure of 1 atmosphere (101325 Pa) and the measured > dissolved oxygen concentration in water. Reference: Broecker, W. S. and T. H. > Peng (1982), Tracers in the Sea, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Palisades, > N. Y. > > Is that acceptable? > > Cheers, Roy. > > From: Hernan Garcia - NOAA Federal > [mailto:hernan.gar...@noaa.gov<mailto:hernan.gar...@noaa.gov>] > Sent: 03 March 2015 16:11 > To: Lowry, Roy K. > Cc: Ajay Krishnan - NOAA Affiliate; > alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk>; > cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>; Tim Boyer - NOAA > Federal > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Request for new standard-name: > apparent_oxygen_utilization > > Hello, > > Let me make the following suggestion for consideration. For simplicity, I > suggest adopting the following definition: > > Apparent Oxygen Utilization (AOU): The difference between the dissolved > oxygen solubility and the measured dissolved oxygen concentration in water. > > Thanks, > > Hernan > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Lowry, Roy K. > <r...@bodc.ac.uk<mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk>> wrote: > Hi Ajay, > > To me, this doesn't differ significantly from Alison's words except it uses > 'parcel of water' rather than 'sea water' and 'in equilibrium with the > atmosphere' rather than 'saturation at a pressure of one atmosphere'. My only > problem is that CF definitions don't usually include units. Like Nan, I also > like the inclusion of the reference in Alison's definition. > > Would everybody be happy with: > > Apparent Oxygen Utilization (AOU) is defined as the difference between the > solubility concentration of oxygen in equilibrium with the atmosphere at the > temperature and salinity of a parcel of water and the observed dissolved > oxygen concentration. It is used to estimate the change in dissolved oxygen > in a parcel of water due to biological and chemical processes at depth since > it left the surface. Reference: Broecker, W. S. and T. H. Peng (1982), > Tracers in the Sea, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Palisades, N. Y.” I > have deliberately included “in sea water” in the first sentence of the > definition to make it clear that this is an oceanographic quantity. > > We need to agree something. At the moment we seem to be doing everything > possible to prevent this Standard Name being accepted!!! > > Cheers, Roy. > ________________________________________ > From: Ajay Krishnan - NOAA Affiliate > [ajay.krish...@noaa.gov<mailto:ajay.krish...@noaa.gov>] > Sent: 27 February 2015 16:32 > To: Lowry, Roy K.; Hernan Garcia - NOAA Federal > Cc: alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk>; > cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu> > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Request for new standard-name: > apparent_oxygen_utilization > > Hi Alison, > > I had to defer this to to our subject matter expert, Hernan Garcia. His > response is copied below. I am also including Hernan in this email now, just > so that we're all on the same page, moving forward. > > Apparent Oxygen Utilization (AOU) is defined as the difference between the > solubility concentration of oxygen in equilibrium with the atmosphere at the > temperature and salinity of a parcel of water and the observed dissolved > oxygen concentration. It is used to estimate the change in dissolved oxygen > in a parcel of water due to biological and chemical processes at depth since > it left the surface. AOU and dissolved oxygen concentrations are nominally > expressed in micro-moles per kilogram (umol kg^-1) > > > Thanks, > Ajay > > > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:47 AM, Lowry, Roy K. > <r...@bodc.ac.uk<mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk><mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk<mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk>>> > wrote: > Hello Alison, > > Looks good to me. > > Cheers, Roy. > ________________________________________ > From: > alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk><mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk>> > > [alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk><mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk>>] > Sent: 26 February 2015 18:11 > To: Lowry, Roy K.; > ajay.krish...@noaa.gov<mailto:ajay.krish...@noaa.gov><mailto:ajay.krish...@noaa.gov<mailto:ajay.krish...@noaa.gov>>; > > cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu><mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>> > Subject: RE: [CF-metadata] Request for new standard-name: > apparent_oxygen_utilization > > Dear Ajay, Roy, All, > > Thank you for the clarification regarding units. > > We are now settled on > apparent_oxygen_utilization (mol kg-1). > > We do already have a couple of ocean biogeochemistry names referring to > “nitrate utilization” so I think this new name is in keeping with those. > > Based on the definition provided by Ajay and John Graybeal’s suggested > wording, I have currently written the definition as: > “Apparent Oxygen Utilization (often abbreviated as AOU) is the difference > between the saturation concentration of oxygen in sea water at a pressure of > 1 atmosphere (101325 Pa) and the observed oxygen concentration. It is used to > estimate the change in oxygen concentration due to biological and chemical > processes. Reference: Broecker, W. S. and T. H. Peng (1982), Tracers in the > Sea, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Palisades, N. Y.” I have deliberately > included “in sea water” in the first sentence of the definition to make it > clear that this is an oceanographic quantity. > > Does this all look OK? If so, then I think the name can be accepted for > inclusion in the standard name table. > > Best wishes, > Alison > > ------ > Alison Pamment Tel: +44 1235 > 778065<tel:%2B44%201235%20778065><tel:%2B44%201235%20778065> > NCAS/Centre for Environmental Data Archival Email: > alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk><mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk>><mailto:j.a.pamm...@rl.ac.uk<mailto:j.a.pamm...@rl.ac.uk><mailto:j.a.pamm...@rl.ac.uk<mailto:j.a.pamm...@rl.ac.uk>>> > STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory > R25, 2.22 > Harwell Oxford, Didcot, OX11 0QX, U.K. > > > From: CF-metadata > [mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu><mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu>>] > On Behalf Of Lowry, Roy K. > Sent: 26 February 2015 15:29 > To: Ajay Krishnan - NOAA Affiliate; > cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu><mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>> > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Request for new standard-name: > apparent_oxygen_utilization > > Hi Alison, > > Just to clarify that I am in total agreement with this and had a bit of a > senior moment in a previous message. > > Cheers, Roy. > > ________________________________ > From: Ajay Krishnan - NOAA Affiliate > [ajay.krish...@noaa.gov<mailto:ajay.krish...@noaa.gov><mailto:ajay.krish...@noaa.gov<mailto:ajay.krish...@noaa.gov>>] > Sent: 26 February 2015 14:56 > To: > cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu><mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>><mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu><mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>>> > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Request for new standard-name: > apparent_oxygen_utilization > > Hi Alison, > > Yes, please use mol kg-1 as the canonical unit. > > Thanks, > > Ajay > > alison.pamment at > stfc.ac.uk<http://stfc.ac.uk><http://stfc.ac.uk><http://stfc.ac.uk> > alison.pamment at stfc.ac.uk<http://stfc.ac.uk><http://stfc.ac.uk> > <mailto:cf-metadata%40cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata%2540cgd.ucar.edu><mailto:cf-metadata%2540cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:cf-metadata%252540cgd.ucar.edu>>?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BCF-metadata%5D%20Request%20for%20new%0A%09standard-name%3A%09apparent_oxygen_utilization&In-Reply-To=%3C014539AC4976BE4490A360410A8C20178A2D6062%40EXCHMBX01.fed.cclrc.ac.uk<http://40EXCHMBX01.fed.cclrc.ac.uk><http://40EXCHMBX01.fed.cclrc.ac.uk>%3E> > Thu Feb 26 03:56:32 MST 2015 > > Dear All, > > > > Thank you for the constructive discussion of this proposal - it seems that > agreement has been reached on apparent_oxygen_utilisation with canonical > units of mol kg-1. (Just to double check: is this the correct unit for use > with the World Ocean Database, which I believe is the reason for requesting > the name in the first place. Units of mol m-3 have also been mentioned in > this discussion, but this could be a misunderstanding. > > > > Best wishes, > > Alison > > > > > > ________________________________ > This message (and any attachments) is for the recipient only. NERC is subject > to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and the contents of this email and any > reply you make may be disclosed by NERC unless it is exempt from release > under the Act. Any material supplied to NERC may be stored in an electronic > records management system. > > This message (and any attachments) is for the recipient only. NERC is subject > to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and the contents of this email and any > reply you make may be disclosed by NERC unless it is exempt from release > under the Act. 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