I have to agree with all, as a Consultant I see a great value in the language and even more so with MX, however if there is no reseller program and the partnership program stay's the way it is, more and more consulting companies are going to turn to other languages that offer less of a monetary hassle and are easier sells with there clients. This is not a surprise that this would happen its just basic math; the more I have the client payout for software + services the more likely I may lose the client to someone else offering more development time for less cost.
We aren't seeing incentives to sell the server and to get quality people to maintain the solutions after the fact. This is a huge problem I thought the reason for certification is to certify that someone can do the Job. Sadly you get more out of the brain bench exam the Macromedia CF exam. Now add the fact that Macromedia isn't throwing leads to allot of people and also add the fact that all it takes is one person to hire a "certified developer" that isn't up to par and there confidence in Macromedia is shaken. I have had this happen and it's not pretty. They also need to lower the price of there server. If they do then there will be more of a call for CF developers in the market aside from government. And that will cause the consulting demand for CF to rise as well. If you are a company that is switching to Cf for the First time you should be able to get a hell of a discount on the CF server that would make it easier to convert companies and then cause a more abundant and steadier flow of income as people upgrade. By coming up with a pricing set up like that it would show that they are confident about CF being a long term solution for companies and not just trying to "get the sale". Well enough of my two cent's, Who wants the soap box next *L* Ray Bayly Principal Bayly Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Greg Bullough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:18 PM To: CF-partners Subject: Re: Associate Partners? At 04:56 PM 1/4/2003 +0000, Neil Robertson-Ravo wrote: >Just look at the "certified ColdFusion developer"... you would be surprised >how many of these I have seen which know jack-shit about CFML and App >development. I share the same frustration. To me the 'Certification' programs have become (with the Partner Programs) just another profit center. Neither are so much there (to all appearances) to support development, nor even to promote wider use of the software. This I regard as short-sighted in a world where PHP and JSP technologies are coming on as strong...and as flexible...as they are. Even more frustrating are the platitudes from Macromedia. They keep saying (here at House of Fusion) 'Hang on! We're re-assessing our partner programs. Of course we can't TELL you YET what we're planning, but it'll be REALLY GOOD. We promise.' Well, we've been hearing that for months, yet nothing, not one thing has been forthcoming. So one concludes that either Macromedia management is the sort which can't figure out what to do, can't make a decision and put a program together. Or that they're just saying what they think we want to hear in order to get us to sign up for yet another year of partnership, take a few more certification courses, and send some more checks. Meanwhile, no leads. No reseller program that would allow us to make a profit on some of the Enterpri$e Licen$es we sell as Macromedia's unpaid, de facto field sales force. Nothing substantive. I'm pretty disappointed in the way things are being handled, and in the way relationships are being handled. Except for a few key parners, who in the final analysis have done more for Allaire/Macromedia than Allaire/Macromedia has done for them. Come on, MM. Stop talking about some mysterious 'good stuff' coming down the pipe, and SHOW US THE PARTNERSHIP PROGRAMS THAT WILL HELP US BUILD OUR BUSINESSES in the post .COM era!!!! Greg Bullough ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=9 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=9 Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
