umm... I can reimplement CF 5 in about 15 minutes... How about you? > I don't know how you break out developer time in your > costs, but I can > imagine spending developer time on workarounds can get > expensive fast.
> Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > 888-408-0900 x901 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:49 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC >> Drivers was > Re: >> LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) >> >> So you're advocating a minimum 140% increase in the cost >> of the server > as >> a >> "fix" for their JDBC problems? I think there are better >> solutions -- I >> don't >> think any of them will result in applications which are >> not working on > MX >> now working on MX flawlessly _today_ , but it seems to me >> that using > the >> ODBC socket temporarily or using an MX license to run CF >> 5 in > production >> until issues with MX can be resolved are reasonable >> interrim > solutions. >> >> S. Isaac Dealey >> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >> >> www.turnkey.to >> 954-776-0046 >> >> > You can buy a single server license to WebSphere for >> > 7k. >> >> > Matt Liotta >> > President & CEO >> > Montara Software, Inc. >> > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ >> > 888-408-0900 x901 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:43 AM >> >> To: CF-Talk >> >> Subject: Re: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party >> >> JDBC Drivers > was >> > Re: >> >> LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) >> >> >> >> I'd be really hesitant to assume that anyone who can >> >> afford to >> > implement >> >> CFMX can afford to implement WebSphere... I haven't >> >> looked at it >> > recently, >> >> but I remember someone mentioning a figure to me that >> >> was well over >> > 10x >> >> the >> >> cost of CFMX Enterprise. I may be confused and that >> >> may include the >> > cost >> >> of >> >> the hardware, et al, though I'd be surprised if the >> >> software alone >> > were >> >> terribly inexpensive even after stripping all the >> >> extra stuff... >> >> >> >> S. Isaac Dealey >> >> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >> >> >> >> www.turnkey.to >> >> 954-776-0046 >> >> >> >> > It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE >> >> > application server >> >> > implements everything that goes along with JDBC >> >> > drivers like >> > connection >> >> > pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having >> >> > JDBC problems > with >> >> > CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere >> >> > and see if the >> >> > problems go away. >> >> >> >> > Matt Liotta >> >> > President & CEO >> >> > Montara Software, Inc. >> >> > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ >> >> > 888-408-0900 x901 >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM >> >> >> To: CF-Talk >> >> >> Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG >> >> >> time CF > Supporter >> > - >> >> > About >> >> >> ready to dump CF! >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. >> >> >> > Isaac >> >> >> > Dealey wrote: >> >> >> >> I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... >> >> >> >> Has >> >> >> >> Allaire / MM >> >> >> >> actually >> >> >> >> developed db drivers? >> >> >> >> >> >> > Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about >> >> >> > which >> >> >> > people are >> >> >> > complaining were not written by us... which means >> >> >> > that we >> >> >> > are reliant >> >> >> > on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other >> >> >> > drivers >> >> >> > available. >> >> >> >> >> >> Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression >> >> >> that was the > case >> >> >> all-along, which I guess explains why I never >> >> >> expected any >> > potential >> >> >> problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... >> >> >> because it > requires >> > MM >> >> > tech >> >> >> support getting enough data to give to the 3rd >> >> >> party and then >> > either >> >> >> producing a work-around or haggling with the driver >> >> >> vendors or >> > both, >> >> > which >> >> >> I >> >> >> imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. >> >> >> >> >> >> Isaac >> >> >> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >> >> >> >> >> >> www.turnkey.to >> >> >> 954-776-0046 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~| > Archives: > http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 > Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sideb > ar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk > FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq > Your ad could be here. 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