I think I've been down this path before. I'm not sure if this is still
the case but in some instances such as AOL browsers, user's can actually
have a different IP address per request. As I said that was a while ago
so I'm not sure if that still stands. Can anyone confirm this?


Kola

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: 13 December 2002 15:24
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: Session Variables (was Login/Password screen)
>> 
>> Ok, let me restate to be sure that I understand...
>> 
>> The security issue for counting login attempts is that a User can
>> continue
>> attempts so long as they remove CFID & Token from the URL and turning
off
>> /
>> deleting cookies.  This can be countered by:
>> 
>> 1.  Tracking failed logon attempts to IP address.  These would have
to be
>> saved in either DB, file, or Application Variable, then compared
before
>> each
>> logon attempt
>> 
>> 2.  Once a valid User ID has been entered, track unsuccessful
attempts,
>> then
>> email User if attempts exceed a certain number.  You could also lock
the
>> account and require user to return Email, click on link, or otherwise
>> re-activate their account.
>> 
>> 3.  What else.......
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 8:05 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: Session Variables (was Login/Password screen)
>> 
>> 
>> Quoting Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >
>> > What do you mean, maintained on the client?
>> 
>> The client has to send the CFID and CFToken. If the client doesn't do
>> that, the server will not be able to associate the appropriate
session
>> variables with the client request. That is not a problem when users
are
>> logged out when the session fails, but leaves a security risk if the
>> client is allowed more when the session is not present. Simply
refusing
>> the cookies with the CFID and CFToken would give me an unlimited
number
>> of login attempts.
>> 
>> Always design systems with a fail-close behaviour.
>> 
>> Jochem
>> 
>>

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