> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 5:04 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Compatability
> 
> Jim this is a great email with some very well thought through points
("My
> app conforms to CFML 5.1") love that thought. Just want to throw a
> viewpoint
> * * * snip for space * * * 
> framework or standard/quasi standard, again I would guess this is
pretty
> typical at the larger enterprises.  The important point here is our
belief
> from direct experience that Fusebox is important in keeping cfml
growing
> in
> influence and usage in larger enterprises.

I agree totally.  I'm not sure if it's specifically FuseBox (although as
the largest "common platform" movement in CF it's definitely a major
player) or more generically CF's newfound (in later versions) abilities
to "play nice" with Enterprise standards (more generic presentation and
application separation for example), but I think that CF _could_ rule
the world of web apps - especially the presentation tier.

CFML, as Fusebox shows, is quite capable of implementing complex
software patterns.  This is just one (or many) things that (somehow)
needs to be communicated beyond our community.

Unfortunately I also see a wellspring of technologies coming out that
are attempting to marginalize many of CF's strengths.  Things like the
Java Standard Tag Library, Java Server Faces, and various other
abstraction techs (many for PHP) are being used to sell other
technologies as being "as easy as CF".

Although I don't think that's true, corporate managers seem to.
Corporate managers also react well to "standard" - although as we all
know neither Java nor .Net are true "Standards" by any traditional
definition (both companies still owning and controlling there
standards).

Macromedia could just as easily play the same game: declare themselves a
"standards body" and manage the standards for CF and Flash/ActionScript.

> Our belief is the combination of Fusebox, ColdFusion (cfml) and Flash
will
> blaze a path to releasing web applications from the constricts and
> convolutions of pure html where the ever increasing GUI needs get more
and
> more demanding.  We also think that it is great to have competing
versions
> of cfml providing we don't end up in a situation where something where
an
> app created for ColdFusion will not run on BD and vice-versa.  This
would
> very much go against the needs of large enterprises in having
broad-based
> standards/frameworks and would do more harm than good to the future of
> cfml.

That's my hope as well.  I feel strongly that Macromedia should continue
to leverage the hell out of Flash to gain CF any foothold it can get.
There are far worse fates than for CF to become the presentation
technology of choice.  ;^)

I've personally been advocating for several years now that the "next big
thing" in web application development would be contextual,
usability-focused design.  So obviously I'm all for Macromedia's Rich
Internet Application direction.

If FuseBox can convince more people of that direction then it's got my
support!  (Whatever that's worth...)

Jim Davis
President, http://www.depressedpress.com
Webmaster, http://www.firstnight.org
Webmaster, http://www.cfAdvocacy.org
Senior Consultant, http://www.metlife.com

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