He's not a troll.  He's a doofus gumby.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Heald, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:51 pm
Subject: RE: RE: RE: re: Mach-II

> hehe you people really don't see the troll?
> 
> Matt != Fuseboxer;
> Hal == FuseboxGhod;
> Angus == Troll;
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: re: Mach-II
> 
> 
> Sigh...
> 
> Where did he say anywhere that those benefits are exclusive to 
> fusebox?
> Point is, fusebox provides those benefits, not that they're the 
> exclusivedomain of fusebox...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:52 pm
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: re: Mach-II
> 
> > I have to comment on this....
> > 
> > > > * it separates business logic from presentation logic, 
> making for
> > > > more organized, efficent code
> > 
> > Seperating presentation from logic is not limited to, nor 
> requires the
> > Fusebox methodology.
> > 
> > > > * it gives developers a common set of rules and methods to work
> > > > from, so that everyone can understand what the other people are
> > > > doing on a project regardless of the size of a team
> > 
> > Common sets of rules and methods are not limited to, nor require 
> > the Fusebox
> > methodology.
> > 
> > > > * it modularizes and encapsulates code, making it easier to 
> reuse> > > and thus to maintain
> > 
> > Encapsulation is not limited to, nor requires the Fusebox 
> methodology.> 
> > > > * it is self-documenting, containing a complete, inline XML
> > > > standard for documenting your applications
> > 
> > I wouldn't consider that feature of fusebox as self documenting, 
> > the inline
> > XML is a clever way of organizing comments in code that allows 
> > access to
> > them in ways other than opening source code. This is not limited 
> > to, nor
> > requires the Fusebox methodology.
> > 
> > > > * most importantly, there are thousands and thousands of fusebox
> > > > developers out there, and more and more shops are choosing 
> to use
> > > > it every day. it is close to becoming a de-facto standard, 
> > which I
> > > > doubt your mach-ii 'framework' will ever be able to match
> > 
> > This is the only semi-valid point. I think mach-ii has a lot 
> more 
> > promisethan Fusebox for object oriented development. Fusebox was 
> > an attempt to
> > bring OO into a procedural framework. Successful? Certainly. 
> > Effective?Apparently. Overwhelmingly so? I don't think so.
> > 
> > Any methodology is better than no methodology, and the right 
> > methodologydepends on the developer(s), the company, and/or the 
> > project.
> > Fusebox is not inherently better than all other methodologies, 
> > with the
> > caveat that it is more widely used than any other methodology 
> for 
> > CF, as far
> > as the casual observer can see.
> > 
> > - Calvin
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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