Isaac:

I have seen from your postings that you have Tapestry CMS, but I haven't seen all that 
much about it.  You can contact me on or off list.  I would be curious to see a demo, 
if you have one.

>Wish I could say that I'm not a sales person... :) Well that's not 
>true -- I say that all the time, just not in this context. :) I am 
>however a developer. 
>
>> DB should act as a STORAGE mechanism and NOT DYNAMIC, in
>> most cases (This is not how the existing system works).
>
>Tapestry does work this way. It allows dynamic content when desirable 
>or necessary, i.e. rotating banners, etc. but it writes the rest of 
>the content to file which eliminates all that overhead of grautitous 
>runtime page assembly (GRUPA - not my term)... I'm working on 
>versioning currently as well as Oracle support -- hopefully it will 
>work on both SQL Server and Oracle with largely the same codebase soon 
>(excepting stored procedures of course)... Permissions and worlfklow 
>have been written. The workflow component needs updating to be 
>compatible with the new version I'm releasing hopefully soon, the big 
>upgrade that broke it being managing multiple content languages. Easy 
>to use for the users is something you'd have to judge for yourself -- 
>the interface is designed specifically for the purpose of being 
>customized, so how easy it is for the users probably has a lot to do 
>with what kind of forms you give them to enter their content. It does 
>use the soEditor wysiwyg html editing tool by default. Works on CF5... 
>As to db maintenance available outside of system are you talking about 
>backing up the db or editing records in the tables? ... backing up 
>isn't an issue (outside of the fact that it writes a lot of stuff to 
>file, so if you restore a backup you may have to do a bit of work to 
>synch up those files). Editing records outside of the system is 
>another story -- I wouldn't recommend it. Installs in about 5 minutes 
>without a single line of programming, though "relatively easy to get 
>up and running" will of course depend on what kind of content you need 
>to manage -- you have to build the forms for your users to manage that 
>content. It's OO which helps make it a little easier if you know how 
>to write good methods. And I'd like to think it's easy to customize -- 
>especially thanks to the add/remove components wizard...
>
>Anyway... I hope that answers most of your questions without seeming 
>like an overt sales pitch. :)
>
>Let me know if you'd like to see a demo.
>
>
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>
>> I would be interested in hearing opinions on some good
>> CF-based CMSs.  I need to develop a short list so that I
>> can evaluate a few systems.
>
>> If you could pick one...  which one?  And why?  Any
>> experience with one system or another?
>
>> We have a CMS here, which is the biggest piece of... well,
>> let's just say that I may finally win the battle that this
>> system needs a replacement.  I would upgrade the existing
>> system, but I think that will take too many man hours to
>> fix the flaws in the system and... right now, I am a
>> one-man development team.
>
>> Here are my requirements:
>
>> Permissions
>> Workflow
>> Images and documents stored in Database, but are published
>> to website.
>> Static pages that can be stored in Database - allow
>> versioning.
>> DB should act as a STORAGE mechanism and NOT DYNAMIC, in
>> most cases (This is not how the existing system works).
>> Oracle 8i/9i - DB maintenance available OUTSIDE of system
>> (Isn't this an issue with NQCONTENT?)
>> CF5 preferred; CFMX Enterprise possible (we'd have to
>> upgrade; there may be COM object issues if we do)
>> EASY TO USE for the USERS!!!  (CMS users have to be able
>> to use the admin, not fight with it every time they want
>> to do something.)
>> Uses stylesheets
>> I should be able to make CMS and site interface changes,
>> if needed.
>> Simple URLs!!!!!  - e.g.
>> http://www.easynavigate.com/section/page.cfm  (our current
>> CMS does not do this and that is the single biggest
>> complaint from the executives)
>> RELATIVELY EASY TO GET UP AND RUNNING
>> Relatively easy to customize, if necessary
>
>> I can elaborate more if needed.
>
>> Here are a list of CF-based systems that I know of...
>
>> Ektron - CMS 100/200/300 & eMPower (I am not sure what the
>> differences are between CMS 300 and eMPower - I didn't
>> find that very clear from their website)
>> PaperThin - Common Spot Server
>> NetQuest - NQContent
>> Systems Alliance - Site Executive
>> FarCry - Open Source - inspired by Spectra (CFMX based -
>> more of a framework than a finished system?)
>> Spectra - Allaire/Macromedia, now Open Source (framework)
>> Oasis - RemoteSite Technologies (I couldn't get to their
>> site)
>> SparkPlug - 13amp.com
>
>> There may be others I don't know of...
>
>> Are there any open source CMSs that are CF-based that are
>> ready to go, out of the box?  For something like FarCry,
>> how quickly can it be configured so that an existing CMS
>> can be converted, users, permissions, workflow and
>> content?
>
>> I am not really interested right now in hearing from sales
>> people... I want to hear from developers that have tried
>> out systems and have an opinion.
>
>> Looking forward to the responses!
>
>> Sincerely,
>
>> Brian Meloche,
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