Lot of reasons.... 1) No need for a special client with web apps 2) Web apps are generally much more bandwidth friendly 3) Web apps can generally be written quicker 4) No firewall issues because of app and db-specific port numbers 5) Much less user training - nearly everyone understands a web browser
I could go on and on. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Hmmm...OK..so why even build a web app....why not build a client/server app? I guess knowing what they do would help....but anyways...back to work ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------- Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com --------------------------------------------------------- Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > Nope they are independent. That's why CF is not cost effective. Were > they to > connect to a single server there wouldn't be a problem > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:44 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > Well if your little devices are using web apps why would you need a licence > per device? Do these devices not connect to a web server that is > serving up > these apps? Wouldn't you only need a licence for that server? > > Perhaps I missed something. > > Oh ya...and there are cheap versions (Standard)...and as Matt L. > said....BlueDragon > > Cheers > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > t. 250.920.8830 > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Macromedia Associate Partner > www.macromedia.com > --------------------------------------------------------- > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > Founder & Director > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Wilker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:38 PM > Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > > Exactly Matt, > > > > Whenever the topic of which app server to go to price has almost > > always > been > > what kills CF in my experience. When money is no option it's fine, > > but > money > > is more and more becoming the object. > > > > It's one thing to say CF is still cheaper than BEA or whatever on a > > per > CPU > > type of deal, but the small shop that has a single CPU webserver, > > doesn't really car that they are saving money compared to the BEA > > licenses they're not interested in. > > > > The one thing (I've said it before) that I'd love to see would be > > some > sort > > of low cost version of CF (no verity, maybe less DB support, maybe > > no sandboxes and such) that can be used on devices that use a web > > app. My company sells such devices and I'd love it if all of them > > ran CF apps, but 1k - 5k per unit is way too much for software. (Our > > units also only have > one > > CPU) > > > > I wish I could propose a model that lets MACR charge less or nothing > > for > MM > > but I know they need to make money. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:06 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > > > > I would think one reason is the cost of the CFServer. Every person > > I've talked to that is outside of the CF development world tells me > > the reason they never got into ColdFusion or don't get into it is > > because of the > cost. > > Although I really enjoy CF, PHP and MySQL are basically free. It's > > very difficult to convince someone to switch from paying nothing to > > having to dump thousand into just owning the license. Then having > > to pay for the > pipe > > and servers on top of the CFlicense costs. Although we are all > > aware of > the > > numerous ways to cut the costs like leasing the license, it still > > deters people for making the jump. Just my experience when I work > > with ASP, PHP, and JSP folks. The competition is too much for MM > > when the competitors products are free, even with the capability > > issues that the others don't offer. > > > > My2cents > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:51 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > > > > Sure, just take a look at MM's SEC filings. They detail what product > > lines produced what revenues. Generally speaking, the documents lump > > all server-side software sales together, so one could make the > > argument that > it > > is JRun that is actually shrinking and CF. However, having > > participated in the MM earnings conference calls, they tend to break > > down the sales > figures > > better orally. > > > > For example, from their 10-K filling... > > > > Our Software Tools products had net revenues of $270.1 million in > > fiscal year 2003, as compared to $242.5 million in fiscal year 2002. > > This > increase > > was primarily due to the launch of new Software Tools products and > > new versions of existing Software Tools products, including our MX > > family of products and Macromedia Contribute. Macromedia Studio MX, > > which was > launched > > in the first quarter of fiscal year 2003, represented approximately > > 31% of our net revenues in the current fiscal year. While sales of > > Macromedia Studio MX did result in a decrease in sales of our > > stand-alone products > that > > are included in our Studio MX bundle, aggregate sales from all of > > our MX products increased by 13% in fiscal year 2003 as compared to > > fiscal year 2002. This increase was partially offset by a decline in > > net revenues from our Server Software products, primarily Macromedia > > ColdFusion MX. Server Software product revenues decreased to $53.0 > > million in fiscal year 2003, > as > > compared to $60.1 million in fiscal year 2002. This decrease was > > primarily due to continued pricing pressures resulting from a very > > competitive > market > > environment, partially offset by releases of new versions of > > existing products during the current fiscal year. > > > > -Matt > > > > On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 02:38 PM, Tyler Silcox wrote: > > > > > Matt wrote: The market for ASP and PHP is growing, while the CF > > > market is shrinking. > > > > > > Do you have any evidence of this, or is it a personal > > > observation/opinion? (I'm not challenging you, I just have a > > > professional curiosity...) > > > > > > Tyler > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:48 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > > > >> Granted, I pretty much stopped using DW when MX rolled out, but > > >> lots of people love it. You can't expect MM to stop schmoozing > > >> it's pre-existing customer base and ONLY focus on CF. Seriously > > >> now, you don't want all those ASP and PHP folks spending their > > >> money somewhere else - the beauty of it is that all of those > > >> people who buy DW and use it to code PHP and ASP are contributing > > >> to the future of MM and CF with their funds. > > >> > > > I disagree with the above statement. The market for ASP and PHP is > > > growing, while the CF market is shrinking. Certainly, there is > > > reason right now for Macromedia to support ASP, PHP, and CF, but > > > at what point does the size of each respective market force MM to > > > focus DW on only the largest markets, > > > namely ASP and PHP? > > > > > > Matt Liotta > > > President & CEO > > > Montara Software, Inc. > > > http://www.MontaraSoftware.com > > > (888) 408-0900 x901 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
