Matt are you my brother? not only do you look like me but you have my temper as well, lol
i read the mail as you put it "Who needs cffile or cfdirectory when you can use use java.io.File?" nothing in that to me suggested "disabling cffile and cfdirectory DOES NOT SECURE YOUR SERVER." although I could have missed a few threads as I seem to get many threads way after the fact if at all. sometimes I get the answers before the ?'s, kinda odd > Please read these emails in context of their thread. I am not > suggesting that CFML developers use java.io.File instead of cffile or > cfdirectory. I am suggesting that disabling cffile and cfdirectory DOES > NOT SECURE YOUR SERVER. > > -Matt > > On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 02:39 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> some of us dont know what that is matt. >> a lot of us dont know java & maybe dont have time to learn it. >> a lot of us need cffile. gawd knows i do:) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Who needs cffile or cfdirectory when you can use use java.io.File? >>> >>> -Matt >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 02:12 PM, Doug White wrote: >>> >>>> Most Shared providers disable CFFILE and CFDIRECTORY anyway >>>> >>>> ====================================== >>>> Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! >>>> For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com >>>> Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all >>>> databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 >>>> Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: >>>> http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf >>>> ====================================== >>>> If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ryan Kime" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:29 AM >>>> Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >>>> >>>> >>>> | >I used the word "free".....they use the word "included" >>>> | >>>> | Semantics, I know, but here is the page I am referring to: >>>> | >>>> | http://www.uniserve.com/bus/usa/web/rates_glance.php?c=nt >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | >Why should they use Enterprise if it's not required (i.e. >>>> clustering/load >>>> | balancing etc.). >>>> | >>>> | Hmmmm...maybe to keep other people from using your database >>>> connections and >>>> | your custom tags. Plus keep the general population on the server >>>> from using >>>> | cfdirectory/cffile outside their account's root. That's enough to >>>> make me >>>> | look elsewhere. >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | -----Original Message----- >>>> | From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:07 AM >>>> | To: CF-Talk >>>> | Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | Well Ryan they are absolutely great and in 5 years I have never >>>> had a CF >>>> | related problem that wasn't fixed within 15 minutes of it being >>>> found (and I >>>> | can count how many issues on one hand). >>>> | >>>> | I used the word "free".....they use the word "included". >>>> | >>>> | Why would you "run away" if they are using Pro/Standard? Why >>>> should >>>> they >>>> | use Enterprise if it's not required (i.e. clustering/load >>>> balancing etc.). >>>> | >>>> | These guys are a national ISP and can easily absorb the cost of >>>> the | software....that's how. >>>> | >>>> | Cheers >>>> | >>>> | Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. >>>> | VP & Director of E-Commerce Development >>>> | Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. >>>> | t. 250.920.8830 >>>> | e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> | >>>> | --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> | Macromedia Associate Partner >>>> | www.macromedia.com >>>> | --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> | Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group >>>> | Founder & Director >>>> | www.cfug-vancouverisland.com >>>> | ----- Original Message ----- >>>> | From: "Ryan Kime" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> | To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> | Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 8:13 AM >>>> | Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | > "There's no such thing as a free lunch" >>>> | > >>>> | > I would be leery of *free* CF and SQL Server, both of those cost >>>> a >>>> | > pretty penny and are not easy to cover without passing some of >>>> the >>>> | > cost on to customers. It also makes me wonder why they use the >>>> term | > "FREE" and not "included" when describing their plans. | > >>>> | > Which version of CF are they using? If it's Pro/Standard and not >>>> | >>>> Enterprise, >>>> | > don't walk, but run away as fast as you can. >>>> | > >>>> | > Ryan >>>> | > >>>> | > -----Original Message----- >>>> | > From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:55 AM >>>> | > To: CF-Talk >>>> | > Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >>>> | > >>>> | > >>>> | > Hey All, >>>> | > >>>> | > Just thought I'd chime in here. >>>> | > >>>> | > I've seen a lot of folks mentioning BlueDragon and how it may >>>> bring | > down hosting costs for CF. Well I'm not sure about the >>>> US, but CF is >>>> | > starting >>>> | to >>>> | > be offered for NO EXTRA CHARGE up here in Canada. >>>> | > >>>> | > www.uniserve.com for example (and there are others). >>>> | > >>>> | > NT Hosting with SQL Server 2000 and CFMX in a shared environment >>>> for >>>> | > about $35 CDN/month and they rock!! I've used the company they >>>> | >>>>> recently >>>> | acquired >>>> | > (Axion Internet) for the past 5 years and the service only got >>>> better >>>> | after >>>> | > the merger. Beleive it or not the SQL Server does not even add >>>> any | monthly >>>> | > cost...just a $25 CDN setup fee!! >>>> | > >>>> | > So while BD may help bring other ISPs down to earth.....that >>>> move is >>>> | already >>>> | > happening here ;-) >>>> | > >>>> | > Cheers >>>> | > >>>> | > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. >>>> | > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development >>>> | > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. >>>> | > t. 250.920.8830 >>>> | > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> | > >>>> | > --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> | > Macromedia Associate Partner >>>> | > www.macromedia.com >>>> | > --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> | > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group >>>> | > Founder & Director >>>> | > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com >>>> | > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> | > From: "Jim Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> | > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> | > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:54 PM >>>> | > Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >>>> | > >>>> | > >>>> | > > For me, I wouldn't at the moment just because I'm very happy >>>> where I >>>> | > > am (CrystalTech). >>>> | > > >>>> | > > However BlueDragon has the definite potential to bring CF >>>> hosting | > > prices down significantly (one of the complaints I >>>> here about CF) so >>>> | > > I would really like to see it offered by a few hosts. >>>> | > > >>>> | > > As Vince pointed out in a branch from this thread BlueDragon >>>> also | > > makes excellent sense for somebody that wants to package >>>> their CF | > > application for use on a server lacking CF (which can >>>> be in either >>>> | > > J2EE or, soon, .NET). >>>> | > > >>>> | > > Although this market has traditionally been very small with CF >>>> Blue >>>> | > > Dragon may expand it greatly. >>>> | > > >>>> | > > Jim Davis >>>> | > > >>>> | > > > -----Original Message----- >>>> | > > > From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> | > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:28 AM >>>> | > > > To: CF-Talk >>>> | > > > Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > There is another question in the whole Bluedragon debate. >>>> How >>>> | > > > many of >>>> | > > us >>>> | > > > would move our site(s) to a hosting company using BD instead >>>> of MM >>>> | > > > ColdFusion? >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > Kind Regards - Mike Brunt >>>> | > > > Webapper Services LLC >>>> | > > > Web Site http://www.webapper.com >>>> | > > > Blog http://www.webapper.net >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > Webapper <Web Application Specialists> >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > -----Original Message----- >>>> | > > > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> | > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:56 AM >>>> | > > > To: CF-Talk >>>> | > > > Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > > -----Original Message----- >>>> | > > > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> | > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:16 AM >>>> | > > > > To: CF-Talk >>>> | > > > > Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >>>> | > > > > >>>> | > > > > > If your clients are small enough where the cost of CF is >>>> | >>>>>> prohibitive >>>> | > > > it >>>> | > > > > > may be likely that the cost of managing an Intranet is >>>> also | > > > prohibitive >>>> | > > > > > (although they may be doing it anyway and have never >>>> done a | > > > > > cost analysis). >>>> | > > > > > >>>> | > > > > I'll agree with that, but certainly the use of certain >>>> software >>>> | > > > > e.g. >>>> | > > > CF >>>> | > > > > could be what tips the scale. If that is the case, then a >>>> | >>>>>>>> cheaper implementation of CFML (BlueDragon) can certainly >>>> help >>>> | > > > > in that >>>> | > > regard. >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > It definitely has an effect, but in most cases (and >>>> certainly not >>>> | > > > in CF's case) the cost of software is very small compared to >>>> | >>>>>>> maintenance and general infrastructure costs. >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > Even managing a small, single Intranet server using free >>>> software >>>> | > > > can >>>> | > > be >>>> | > > > (often surprisingly) very costly once you do a full resource >>>> | >>>>>>> map/prediction - especially when extended to the life of the | > >>>>>> server. >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > All that being said every little bit does help. ;^) If >>>> software >>>> | > > costs >>>> | > > > are lower then you total project costs COULD definitely be >>>> lower >>>> | > > > (but often aren't due to other factors not commonly taken >>>> into >>>> | > > > account). >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > > > Many hosting companies are hosting their Intranet at >>>> "public" >>>> | > > hosts >>>> | > > > for >>>> | > > > > > this reason. There are some hosts that do nothing but | >>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> traditional Intranet applications along with email >>>> (Exchange >>>> | > > > > > hosting, for >>>> | > > > example, >>>> | > > > > > is pretty common due to the cost and complexity of >>>> managing an >>>> | > > > Exchange >>>> | > > > > > server). >>>> | > > > > > >>>> | > > > > That may be, but there are serious issues with outsourcing >>>> | >>>>>>>> internal >>>> | > > IT >>>> | > > > > resources externally that many of these companies may not >>>> be >>>> | > > > > aware >>>> | > > of. >>>> | > > > > One example of this is that their WAN connection becomes a >>>> | >>>>>>>> single >>>> | > > > point >>>> | > > > > of failure. Then of course there are legality issues >>>> related >>>> to >>>> | > > giving >>>> | > > > > non-employees access to sensitive data that aren't under | >>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> specific consulting agreements, which is the case when your | > >>>>>>> email is hosted >>>> | > > by >>>> | > > > a >>>> | > > > > 3rd party. >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > All true - this all depends, of course, on how much the >>>> company | > > > wants >>>> | > > to >>>> | > > > spend as well. If you want to get away more cheaply you'll >>>> be >>>> | > > > sacrificing some things. A full "bullet-proof" system will >>>> always >>>> | > > cost >>>> | > > > more. >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > > > No, consider an Intranet with is planned to contain, >>>> let's >>>> | > > > > > say, >>>> | > > six >>>> | > > > > > distinct applications (not at all uncommon). My case >>>> now is >>>> | > > > > > that >>>> | > > > each >>>> | > > > > > of these applications only has to save two hours of | > >>>> > > > > development >>>> | > > time >>>> | > > > > > due >>>> | > > > > > to CF for it to be just as cost effective as a "free" | >>>> > >>>>>>>> solution. >>>> | > > > > > >>>> | > > > > Of course, the case with BlueDragon would only need to >>>> save one >>>> | > > > > hour per application. >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > True. I'm not arguing against Blue Dragon but rather the >>>> concept >>>> | > > > that software costs (at this level) are major >>>> considerations. >>>> Too >>>> | > > > many >>>> | > > times >>>> | > > > I've heard "we can't afford CF" only to watch a company >>>> spends >>>> | > > thousands >>>> | > > > more pursuing an untried "free" solution. >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > The problem here is almost always one of training and >>>> | > > > applicability. >>>> | > > A >>>> | > > > company that has great Linux/PostGres/PHP people will, of >>>> course, >>>> | > > > use them. But a company looking for a solution often >>>> gravitates to >>>> | > > > free software due to cost concerns. >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > Developers are then in the position of learning these tools >>>> as >>>> | > > > they develop - which ends up costing far, far more in the >>>> long >>>> run >>>> | > > > than setting up, for example, a Windows environment that >>>> they may >>>> | > > > have some experience with. >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > For a medium/large company this isn't a problem as the extra >>>> time >>>> | > > > can >>>> | > > be >>>> | > > > split with R&D/Training and down the road you do gain. But >>>> for | > > > the >>>> | > > very >>>> | > > > small company this often locks them into a money-pit; tying >>>> them >>>> | > > > into >>>> | > > a >>>> | > > > solution they don't know and resulting either in a failed >>>> project >>>> | > > > or >>>> | > > one >>>> | > > > that doesn't meet expectations. >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > Many of them are roped in by contractors that claim they can >>>> "pick >>>> | > > > up" something easily. My advice to small business is always >>>> stick >>>> | > > > with >>>> | > > what >>>> | > > > you know and always pay extra for gurus. >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > Jim Davis >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > > >>>> | > > >>>> | > >>>> | > >>>> | >>>> | >>>> >>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
