Thank you all for such an invigorating and insightful conversation stemming
from my original post.  Believe it or not, the point I wanted most
addressed... hasn't been. Let me try to rephrase it.

We all seem to agree that
a)  \WINNT should be on it's own partition
b)  the swap file should be on it's own partition (minus the minimum
required on the c drive) if not on a separate and dedicated hard drive.
c)  .cfm files should be as their own partition or if the budget allows a
separate drive.

I'm most curious to know where \CFUSION should in a high volume environment?
C:\, another partition or another drive??

TIA,

Rick



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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 3:40 PM
Subject: "Milking...", "High Scalability" and "$1000 servers"


>
> Greetings fellow CF Fans!
>
> I've received and read a lot of comments to the postings I did yesterday
> regarding scalability and thought I'd put them all together in one e-mail
> for simplicity.  Sorry for the long post...
>
> --Doug
>
> CFSWITCH - YES!
>
> Consider this code:
>
> <cfif #left(mystring, 2)# IS "AB">
> ...
> <cfelseif #left(mystring, 2)# IS "BC">
> ...
> <cfelseif #left(mystring, 2)# IS DE">
> ...
> <cfelse>
> ...
> </cfif>
>
> If the value of the operation is "FG", you're doing 3 string operations to
> just get to CFELSE.  That's a lot of unnecessary CF processing.  With a
> CFSWITCH, you do the processing once then determine the correct action to
> take based upon the result string.  This is much faster and actually is
> usually cleaner code to read.
>
> SELECT *  -- NEVER!
>
> This was a good suggestion.  First of all let's assume your DBA (you have
a
> stellar DBA right? No?  Don't plan an IPO in your near future then...)
> decides you need three more columns on the table and they are 16 chars
each.
> Now you have 48 chars PER RECORD coming back to your application that you
> don't need.  That adds up quickly and slows your application down, even
> though when you designed it, it seemed to run smoothly.  Secondly, it
means
> that SQL has to do minor overhead to figure out what to send you.  It's
> minor, but why make it do the work, ESPECIALLY if this query is run
> frequently.  Finally, it makes it easier for the "next guy" to debug your
> code.
>
> Scoping Variables - Always
>
> YES!  Always scope variables.  You get two benefits.  First, the developer
> after you that reads your code can figure it out much more quickly.
> Secondly, you aren't forcing CF to take valuable milliseconds to figure
out
> what the variable's scope is since it's already defined.  It's a minor
> point, but well worth making a part of your daily coding ritual.
>
> CFSETTING - White Space
>
> The CFSETTING tag and respective CFADMIN setting for this globally appear
to
> be great tools.  In some cases they are.  However, remember that
essentially
> you're asking CF to do extra work to remove these "offensive items" (tabs,
> spaces, etc.).  If your page is now 5k instead of 6k, is that worth the
CPU
> overhead?  Each developer will have to decide if it makes cost-effective
> sense to do this.  I've found cases where it was good AND those where it
> caused more processing overhead and really didn't save a lot of bandwidth.
> So be careful and decide when this is best to use rather than just setting
> the entire application or even server to remove white space all the time.
>
> Lots of Cheap Servers or Big Beefy Servers?
>
> First of all, the SQL server should have a twin or slightly lesser machine
> if cost is an issue and these should be as powerful as you can reasonably
> afford.  Put your horsepower into your database.
>
> Secondly, get a load balancing solution that has fail-over built in.  This
> way you can put ANY web servers (cheap OR expensive, NT, Solaris or
> otherwise) all in the same solution and the load balancer will find the
best
> server for each request.  Note that session management is a big issue here
I
> won't discuss now.
>
> Finally, buy web servers.  Consider the cost of the hardware AND software
> together.  Sure you could get a cheap 1U Linux box.  Linux's kernel though
> only supports one CPU (talk to Linus Torvalds about that one) so you can
> keep these machines fairly cheap.  Allaire, however, will charge you for a
> CF license for each, so there's a hit there.  If your applications are CPU
> intensive, get stronger hardware.  If you're doing very lightweight pages
> and lots of them, a farm is probably good.  What's EVEN BETTER is to see
if
> you can build a scheduler to convert pages to static HTML and put them on
a
> NON-CF server and preferably in a caching environment outside your
network.
> That's often the best and cheapest solution.  Look at Yahoo.  Most of
their
> content is static pages rebuilt regularly with CGI to just help steer you
to
> a static page.  That model makes lots of sense and is cheap to build.
>
> NT v. Solaris
>
> My research and opinion says six of one, half dozen of the other.  Where
one
> has more power, it has more cost to balance either in hardware or in labor
> costs to support more advanced gear.  I've yet to see research that
strongly
> indicated one solution greatly outperformed the other in comparable farms
> and while doing so at a greatly reduced cost.  So the end result is build
> what's comfortable and cost-effective for you... but don't expect a one
> solution fits all answer to this question.
>
> $1000 light servers v. dual CPU
>
> The "2 NIC" approach
>
> Yes, we've done research here and it's highly recommended.  Even Compaq in
> their DISA architecture recommends it?  Why?  Because it creates two
> networks, both high speed and isolated.  The first is so your web servers
> talk directly to a dedicated switch that talks to your firewall, router or
> DMZ.  This way you're isolated from your regular office network traffic
and
> get right out to the internet to deal with customers.  The second network
is
> so web servers have high speed and isolated connections to the SQL
cluster.
> This is the fastest way to get data to these machines.  If you just put
> everything into one large switch (which often has a common backplane) and
> just use one NIC per system, you're putting both the Internet and SQL
> traffic on the same cards, ports, etc. and eventually you will see
> degradation.  Also, this is a security issue (although minor) because in
> theory the router could talk to the switch and directly to SQL.  It's far
> easier to block this port in your firewall with a two network approach and
> that way insure that only internal servers talk to SQL.  It's a minor
point,
> but worth noting... especially if you plan to file an S-1 document in your
> future.
>
> Log Analyzers
>
> Yes, under high load this needs to be a dedicated server.  Set it up and
> archive the raw logs (I agree with the recommendaiton to use .ZIP archives
> to save archiving space requiremenets).  Once the analyzer processes it,
the
> raw logs don't need to remain on the server.  Don't forget to "flush" the
> dataset as well since you probably don't need to keep all this data live.
> Static HTML reports can easily be archived but the Gb of data that it took
> to make it doesn't have to remain online.  Also, by removing these logs
from
> the web servers ASAP, you don't need big drives on your web servers and
can
> keep the costs down.  Writing this data to a file share on the fly is not
> recommended as it will greatly increase the "chattiness" of your network
> segment.
>
> IPs or Virtual Hosting
>
> I've seen both done in various environments and projects and haven't seen
> any measurable difference.  Yes you can host a LOT of domains on a single
> server as long as the bandwidth limits of the box don't become an issue.
> Lots of "inexpensive" hosting solutions do this.  It's fast, cheap and
easy.
> If you run your own network, however, I always like a well documented IP
> strategy... but it's not always needed.
>
> Lots of Servers - One File Share for Content
>
> Having your web servers grab their content from a file share makes it very
> easy to scale and distribute content.  You can essentially make each one a
> "mirror image" of the others.  It's fast, cheap and easy as long as the CF
> licensing costs don't become an issue.  This is a great way to have lots
of
> domains on lots of servers and provide redundancy.  It's also great for
> security because you put FTP on the file server and the customers never
> actually hit the web server farm.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Douglas Nottage
> Director of Advanced Technology
> Autobytel.com (NASDAQ:  ABTL )
> ___________________________________________
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful,
> committed people can change the world.
> Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
> --- Margaret Mead
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