Yea, my eyes have problems with the lack of capitalization, and I feel like I'm reading the lyrics from an 80's Prince album...
Sorry for the interjection :P - Calvin -----Original Message----- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown You're messages are really difficult to read :P The reason why PHP became so popular is a combination of reasons, like freeware, C like syntax, MySQL combination, high performance, and the ease of use. Btw, have you ever developed large applications in PHP. There really is no big difference in development time. The most time spend in applications isn't at code level. Micha Schopman Software Engineer Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. 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Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 8 februari 2005 11:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: re: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown no prob dick :) man im always in those "discussions" haha, so i stand up 4 what i believe in, nothing wrong with that. this same discussion is why dave watts got so mad at me (on the figleaf flash list), sorry bout that dave! but they were trying to get all the newbies onto php and using amfphp which was dead at the time and they are trying to get all these hacks to work and im like damn just use coldfusion and not worry bout it and they go off bout how MM really is gunna get u too use it then slap u with this huge bill! not to mention i asked my host if they have amfphp on their servers and i got a resounding "there is no chance in hell that crap is going on our servers" if MM were to at the top of the coldfusion pages put a big FREE sign, they would go lol, i guess they are too busy writing all that extra php code too actually read down to were it actually says that the dev version is free and i guess they cant figure out that the host carries the cost not them. i understand a lot of you, if not a majority work at shops that run their own servers but i dont and some of u think im stupid i know but hey at least i checked it out enough to make an educated guess or i'd be another php hacker. This is were i personally think MM drops the ball(not getting these ppl the message) but i also understand the chance at revenue is smaller. However, those ppl carry weight and things happen and word gets around and suddenly there is revenue, a lot of small voices can create quite a racket! bottom line is that these ppl just dont know! even .net will is pushing cfm over .net in his school and thats were it should be as well. One class puts what 20-30 ppl into the world, even if they are in graphics they learn something, usually php. A lot of these graphics ppl then work with flash and if they only knew how to make a simple cfc, think what they could suddenly do........ the balls rolling, getting bigger...... isnt that basically how php got so popular? just like that graphics guy i referenced in last post, i bet i could sit him down and show him a cfc and the remoting connections, he learned flash and as. in school so know he can remote. MM hire me and i will crusade!! haha some of them even say the hosting cost is outrages i got a great host (host my site) and i think most all my clients end up paying around $11 a month for cfmx on LINUX of course ;) , i would say that isnt to bad at all! the other thing is that most of those ppl dont realize the benefits of the underlying java code of cfml now, funny thing is they still spew that cfm is nuthing more than a tag runner, i dont know what the hell they think php is? ~ we need to get the message out that: It cost the same (prolly a lot less) to develop in CF.~ EXACTLY!! plus as mossimo used to say "coldfusion just sounds sexier" :) ---------------------------------------- From: Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:30 AM To: CF-Talk <cf-talk@houseoffusion.com> Subject: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown I am reposting this to change the subject line. On Feb 8, 2005, at 12:21 AM, dave wrote: > and just to be clear, i'd say a most php users arent building > enterprise apps and use shared hosting, so its just as feasable to use > coldfusion, they just dont know its just as free in that case. > and its amazing to see them all trying to hack amfphp and such to > work with remoting when they could just use cfm more easily and too be > clear, they are using shared hosting, so cost isnt a concern. Whoa! 1) Most of them use shared hosting! 2) If they are using shared hosting, the "free" advantage of LAMP goes away (except to the provider)! 3) And there is prolly little, or no, extra cost to to host a site using CF! 4) The Customer gets all the RADD and maintenance benefits and $ savings of CF. 5) The developer doesn't realize that CF developer editions are free. Point made, End of discussion! I knew all these points except 5, but never put them together! I have recently participated in a "Programming Languages" discussion on the Apple OS X web forums. Everyone else was pushing PHP, Java or JSP. I proposed CFML as an alternative. Several people agreed with me, but the majority tried to shout us down. The reasons usually included: functional capability, performance and cost. I would counter that the "cost" of CF is negligible compared to the other costs, and leave it at that. But to the indie developer cost is everything-- and if he thinks he has to pony up $1,000 to $5,000 just to develop in CFML, the answer is "CF is too expensive", end of discussion. I need to listen better. Thanks, Dave-- I think that I am going to win a few more PLPCs (Programming Language Pissing Contests). And to the CF community in general: we need to get the message out that: It cost the same (prolly a lot less) to develop in CF. 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