hhhmmm, sounds like mach-ii, or fusebox, or...

Cutter

Matthew Small wrote:
> "You wind up with all this controller code spread through hundreds of pages
> / components"
> 
> What does that mean? Controller code? You write a page that does one small
> section of your entire application, and you use code-behind to abstract the
> business logic from the presentation. It even makes it nice because you can
> write an entire application and give the presentation to a graphic designer
> to work around and he can't mess with the code.  Allaire was preaching that
> 5 years ago.
> 
> 
> "And most "regular application"s are scary! 
> 
> What's so scary about writing an application?  I don't mean to be snide, but
> it sounds like you haven't figured out how to break up the application into
> smaller sub-applications. 
> 
> 
> "A lot of VB apps I've seen are very anti-architecture"
> So what?  There's plenty of good ones, and there are plenty of bad ones.
> But one point I'll concede - I've never seen a poorly written CF
> application... wait a second, there was that one... 
> 
> "(redneck voice: "Hey y'all, we'll just stick the logic on this here
> button's OnClick!")"
> 
> So you don't like event-based architecture?  Go look at Mach-II then ask Mr.
> Corfield what he thinks about it.  How about javascript?  Why not look at
> something like the two-selects-related CF tag and tell me that it's not
> event-based?
> 
> 
> "IMHO, ASP.NET is a great technical achievement that got blemished when
> MS's marketing group realized they could sell it as "VB for Web apps,"
> 
> Gee whiz, some of us don't even use VB to write apps.  Lordy, I use c-Sharp.
> 
> 
> Matthew Small
> Web Developer
> American City Business Journals
> 704-973-1045
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:55 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.....
> 
> 
>>Using code-behind (asp.net class) and web forms (viewstate) are two of the
>>MAJOR advantages of using ASP.NET. 
> 
> 
> Code-behind is nice, but I've seen it become a pain in the arse with
> really big applications.  You wind up with all this controller code
> spread through hundreds of pages / components, and when your model
> changes, you have to automagically remember which code behinds deal
> with that portion of the model, and go update them.
> 
> I think I just have a personal preference for front controllers over
> page controllers.
> 
> 
>>It's a web analogy to a regular application
> 
> 
> And most "regular application"s are scary!  A lot of VB apps I've seen
> are very anti-architecture (redneck voice: "Hey y'all, we'll just
> stick the logic on this here button's OnClick!"), and code-behind is
> now letting the same shlock spread to web apps.  Struts, Rails, and,
> well, almost all of the other MVC frameworks make it nigh impossible
> to do this kind of crap, and ASP.NET all but encourages it.
> 
> IMHO, ASP.NET is a great technical achievement that got blemished when
> MS's marketing group realized they could sell it as "VB for Web apps,"
> perpetuating shitty implementations that'll keep hundreds of MCADs
> employed as maintenance programmers for decades.
> 
> 

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