well thats kinda nuts... Given the responces that we can't agree on how to did should reaffirm the fact that it should be made in as simple a way as possible, even if that means no cfcs(which I vote for cfc's) but if it's simple enough then its just a simple matter of moving the queries to cfcs or custom tags or whatever you want. If its in 00 then your SOL on making it how you want.
And yeah it should be modular (hence why cfc's should be used) but the definition of modular doesnt eq 00 ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ ---------------------------------------- From: "Snake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:45 PM To: CF-Talk <cf-talk@houseoffusion.com> Subject: RE: Open source shopping cart Well I certainly don't see any need to use CFC's, the only reason I have found to use them is for web services, otherwise you can happily live without them. In fact there have been many instances where I have gone back to custom tags cozz CFC's wont do what I want. Russ -----Original Message----- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 November 2005 20:53 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Open source shopping cart yeah but a lot of people would want to dig into it, so i'd say it should be able to run out of the box and yet be easily customizable. A lot of the stuff you are saying I agree with but I just think making it 00 is just too much, cfc and structured yes but making a product that to 5% (probably a very high estimate) of a user base just isn't good marketting. A good example of this is Plum, what if they only made it available on linux? And if you wanted to use it you had to be running linux that wouldn't be considered "smart marketing". They already make it windows only and lose a good chuck of market, so I guess my thought is why lose a massive chunk of the market just so it's 00? It can be very clean and structured without being nasa code. But like I said, you guys decide and send me a task, I'll do my part reguardless..... ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ ---------------------------------------- From: "Snake" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Open source shopping cart If a cart is properly written, you shouldn't need to understand or change the code to use, it should work out of the box. So whetehr or not it uses CFC's should be neithe rhere nor there. As I state dpreviously, most people who us ethe cart will want to use it out of the box and and wont even want to look at the code. Those who want to get dirty in the code and change it are most likley going to be capable of doing so. Good documentation should also make it posisble for anyone to make minor modifications. Russ -----Original Message----- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 November 2005 23:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Open source shopping cart Personally, I don't think that it would be good to go 00 at all. After all there are very few people who ACTUALLY use 00 and I see this as a 2 fold project, one to get us a good cart system and two to help get a few people over to cfm and lets be real, probably 95% of the people who would use this couldn't write their own cfc and sure it's easy to tell them to go learn but reality says they won't and they will go over to php and use a freebie over there. Hell if it was strict 00 I probably wouldn't even use it!! I agree it would be cool but I don't see a point in making it so 5% of the people could use it. If you do that then might as well make it only operate on computes that are using 2 monitors. If it's made decently then the "eletists" can spend a few hours on thier own and make it 00. I think the important parts are that it should look good, be safe (form cleaning up and such), be secure and be able to plug it right in and have it work within a few minutes and have the ability for the programmer to customize it how they want without having to learn anything major and yes 00 is a major thing. Cartweaver is a good example, you can plug it in and in a few minutes have it working but it's also $250 and not in cfcs and there are some security concerns but the example is good because you can just "use" it or customize it without learning 00 or fusebox or whatever. And in these times where if the programmer has to spend a ton of time learning it or whatever they will just go to yahoo stores or miva merchant or some crap like that. ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ ---------------------------------------- From: "Cutter (CF-Talk)" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Open source shopping cart Were I not in the process of transitioning out of one position, relocating, and into a new position, then I would be offering my assistance immediately. However, as I won't have an internet connection for a while (much less the packing, moving, unpacking, etc.) I'll have to wait until I'm settled. I did want to take a moment to throw in my $.02. My daddy always told me if you're going to do a job then you should do it right the first time. Although the initial planning may take longer it is definitely worth while to make this an OO application. It is actually easier (by far) to modify and extend a well documented OO app over a procedural app. It is easier to design and apply extension modules/components. It is easier to track your program flow. Using DAO CFC's will allow you to extend the app from a multitude of database platforms. A complete separation of the business logic from you control and presentation layers will force a developer to concentrate on the data to be presented rather than the presentation (which could then be output in HTML, XHTML, XML, or even Flash). And, since you are already planning on using CFC's, a loosely coupled MVC OO approach will break down the project into easily defined subprojects. This type of approach would also make it very easy to port into most existing frameworks (Mach II, Fusebox, Model-Glue, etc.) Would an OO approach alienate a majority of users? I don't think so. If you offer a superior product, with the features they want, then the users will take the time to read documentation to make it work for them. These aren't advanced programming concepts, they're good programming practices. Those of you looking to turn this into a learning experience will gain a much better learning experience by moving forward from an OO standpoint. My two $.02. Hope it helps. Cutter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224257 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
