Andy, I was in on the convo and it did have a bickering feel to it. No one was taking control and everyone (almost) wanted it done their way.
I'm glad to hear it got going though. From the sound of Dave I thought it was practically dead with 3 developers (which I guess is 2 now) twiddling their thumbs. But, it is good to know it is coming along. On 1/11/06, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mike, > I am sorry that you took it as bickering. Sounded like discussion to > me. As > far as you other points, the "project" is not in a mess, right now, there > are just two of us working through it, and perhaps as we progress, you > might > reconsider. > > Andy > > PS: We are using CFC's, and will probably end up converting Ben's work in > the process. I am just finishing a first draft of a high level archicture > document. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:06 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart > > Well I for one was watching this project kick off with interest. > Initially I saw it as an opportunity for me to contribute something back > to > the community that has been so good to me over quite a few years now. I > thought I would gain from it because it would also be good for me to be > involved in a collaborative project, because I do nearly everything by > myself these days. I know I have some expertise in some aspects of > this > project, and nearly no expertise in other aspects so I thought I could > contribute as well as learn. > > So i was about to put my hand up and say I'll dive in and help. > > Then the bickering started. Back and forth about what it was going to be, > and what it was going to do. First it was going to be like this, then > like > that, then like something else, without anyone offering a clear idea > of what it was going to be. "uh oh," I said to myself "this looks just > like <x - a nighmare of a project I was involved in years ago> and it'll > be > ages before anyone gets anywhere with it." I was about to suggest a > functional spec, when someone else pooh-poohed the use of CFCs. Someone > said they didnt want to use this new-fangled CFC stuff. They wanted to > write the shopping cart using more conventional procedural code. To be > frank I saw this as adding nothing to the cf community. there is already > an excellent procedural shopping cart thanks to Ben Forta in the CFWACK > and > quite frankly I dont see what you could do in an open source cart that > wasn't already there in the book, and which I've already used, adapted and > modified several times. > > I didnt say anything at the time because most of the participants seemed > to > like that approach. Rather than try to rain on the parade, I put my hand > back down and decided to go my own way. If you guys want to build a new > procedural shopping cart, good luck to you, I'll be standing there > applauding when and if it's finished. > > However if anyone wants to take this project in a different direction, I > am > more than willing to put my shoulder to the wheel. But I'd say there > has > to be a few things different: > > - someone has to be elected, appointed or self-appointed as the > project leader (look at the success of the model-glue project - due in > no > small part to the fact that Joe Rinehart has put his personal goolies > on > the > line and has taken charge of it) > - There has to be a clear definition of what the project is for. I'm > afraid, "open source shopping cart" doesnt cut it. There are already > several that if not free are close to it. Most people either have > CFWACK > or know someone who has and there have ready access to how to build a > procedural shopping cart.. What's going to be different about this > one? > > From these two things will flow a proper functional spec and a direction > to > the project. At this point, since I havent been following the details of > the project, you may well have defined the project, but I havent seen it, > so > I cant offer my help. > > I'll be glad to add whatever skills and energy I have that might > contribute > to an open source shopping cart if it's going to be a project that works. > And if it's going to add something new to the world. Just another 'me > too' > shopping cart isnt worth the effort, except that it gives the contributors > experience and new skills. And to put it bluntly, I'm interested in > developing my skills in the use of CFCs and OOP, not just redoing > something > I've been doing for eight years now. > > And that fact that you're lashing about Dave, tells me this project is a > mess right now. It needs an objective that will inspire people to be > involved. The CFEclipse project has inspired it's contributors because > they saw deficiencies in the existing tools and figured they could do a > better one. I reckon if they'd started out saying "lets build a > development > tool that's like notepad with a couple of other features" it would have > gone > nowhere. > > Cheers > Mike Kear > Windsor, NSW, Australia > Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > AFP Webworks > http://afpwebworks.com > > ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229304 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
