In no way am I trying to argue. That's why I hate email for discussions, in
most cases. I'm simply providing another view that is opposite of yours.
A novice ECMA developer should know something about ECMA. It would be stupid
for me to think a novice CF developer should know something about an ECMA
language if that is the only language they know.
No one is comparing anything to CF in terms of ease. I compared Remoting +
CF with AMFPHP and said they are equally simple, except for the method table
in amfphp. The simple understanding that you MUST know CF or PHP to do
Remoting in either is understood. I don't know Perl so I can't comment on
Remoting + Perl.
No arguments man. To be blunt, your views seemed limited and pointed to
facts that weren't so ("remoting with PHP is a lot more difficult."). All
I'm saying is if you have a working knowledge of php classes amfphp is not
hard. Obviously you would need a working knowledge of Actionscript as well.
If you want to take this off list we can no doubt do so.
Have a good one...
On 2/27/06, Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If you just want to argue for the sake of arguing, than I'll just
> gracefully
> bow out, but if you think that "novices" have the first clue when it comes
> to ECMA... you should try teaching them.
>
> Their implementation was flawed for the first 7 releases and though I
> commend them on their achievement, I can't believe that the functionality
> they're providing is even comparable to CF, which is what I consider
> "easy".
>
> I'm done and out.
>
> !k
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:06 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Getting data into Flash 8
>
> You don't have to use nested associate arrays. You can use numerical or
> associate. CF Stucts are nothing but associate arrays anyway. If you know
> how to use PHP classes then you know at least what an array is. You can
> return virtually any type in php to Flash. In the latest version you have
> more types you can return (including xml).
>
> http://www.amfphp.org/docs/datatypes.html
>
> So you know, when I first used AMFPHP I didn't know PHP that well. I was
> the
> definition of novice, in terms of PHP. But PHP classes are similar to ECMA
> classes so it wasn't hard to catch on. If you aren't a PHP developer then
> PHP itself is the problem...not AMFPHP. If you don't know CF then CF is
> the
> problem...not Remoting w/ CF. PHP's learning curve is somewhat steep.
>
> The issue with AMFPHP was the documentation was horrible at that point in
> the game (early versions) so the installation portion was a pain.
> Everything
> dealt with server-wide installation on Apache so it was terribly
> confusing.
> Once I figured out it was just a folder everything else was a piece of
> cake.
>
> On 2/26/06, Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It depends what kind of implementation you're trying to accomplish. My
> > point
> > is that for someone without a lot of PHP experience, the nested
> > associative
> > arrays can intimidating.
> >
> > You seem to assume your views based on your own knowledge and skills,
> and
> > that's fine. I judge software based on what an absolute novice would
> > think...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:48 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Getting data into Flash 8
> >
> > Sorry Kevin, AMFPHP is terribly simple to use. It only has 1 more step
> > than
> > CF (which is the method table for restricting access, etc). I wasn't
> going
> > to respond but I figured it was nothing but a constructive conversation
> > anyway. :-)
> >
> > On 2/24/06, Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Haha... remoting with PHP is a lot more difficult.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: February 24, 2006 1:48 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Getting data into Flash 8
> > >
> > > Thanks Dave. I'll check that out.
> > >
> > > But yeah, I feel that they do make it complicated...too many steps to
> do
> > > such a simple thing. How would you feel if you had to go through 6 or
> 7
> > > steps just to get some data back from a datasource using ColdFusion.
> > >
> > > You'd probably feel like you were coding in PHP eh?
> > >
> > > <!----------------//------
> > > andy matthews
> > > web developer
> > > ICGLink, Inc.
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 615.370.1530 x737
> > > --------------//--------->
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:43 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Getting data into Flash 8
> > >
> > >
> > > MM didn't make it complex, you are making it complex, it ain't rocket
> > > science.
> > >
> > > They pretty much do have drag and drop components already built in,
> you
> > > can
> > > have remoting working in under 30 seconds or there is the data
> connector
> > > that's built in that can get data from a cfc or web service, again in
> > > under
> > > 30 seconds.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm#view=sn106&viewName=Exc
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> hange%20Search%20Details&loc=en_us&authorid=60639501&page=0&scrollPos=0&subc
> > > atid=0&snid=sn106&itemnumber=13&extid=1011923&catid=0
> > >
> > > I suggest that you check out all the remoting tutorials at
> > communitymx.com
> > > or specifically this one
> > > http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=ADF3B
> > >
> > > or asfusion.com has quite a bit of info as well.
> > >
> > > ~Dave the disruptor~
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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